High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#23861 of 24700 Re: The A7 Again [hpowders] by dewey Feb 09, 2007 (8:06 am)
Replying to: hpowders (Feb 09, 2007 7:55 am) Howard, it is nice to know that there is at least one other forum member here that appreciates the high aesthetics of Bangle design. But outside this forum there are a great number of auto designers that have a fine eye for Bangle beauty. Replies to this message: hpowders (Feb 09, 2007 8:10 am)
#23862 of 24700 Re: The A7 Again [dewey] by hpowders Feb 09, 2007 (8:10 am)
Replying to: dewey (Feb 09, 2007 8:06 am) Thankfully, the opinions of Chris Bangle here, do not reflect what is going on in the real world, where it counts. More and more manufacturers are paying him tribute by copying his designs.
#23863 of 24700 Lexus Oil Sludge Problems by dewey Feb 09, 2007 (10:45 am)
This week Toyota in the US settled a class-action lawsuit, also covering Lexus, which potentially involves 7.5 million current and previous owners whose cars were possibly damaged by engine oil sludge, or what the judge called "oil gel". Brought by Lexus owners Sarah and Jeff Meckstroth, and heard in a Louisiana county court, the suit and its outcome have big implications for Australia. link title Replies to this message: blkhemi (Feb 09, 2007 2:26 pm) lexusguy (Feb 09, 2007 3:24 pm) houdini1 (Feb 09, 2007 4:37 pm)
#23864 of 24700 Re: 2nd generation Phaeton slated for 2011 [syswei] by dewey Feb 09, 2007 (10:54 am)
Replying to: syswei (Feb 09, 2007 5:37 am) Why don't they just kill it? Here's the ridiculous answer why the Phaeton will not be discontinued: Dr. Winterkorn is saying that VW has to be visible with competence from Polo to Phaeton Piesch through his crony Winterkorn are still calling the shots at VW. In otherwords VW will remain in denial and continue its brisk downhill slide in the auto industry. Look out for another VW flop in the form of a rebadged Chrysler Minivan. This upcoming VW van is suppose to cater to North American tastes just like the Phaeton was suppose to cater to the tastes of North American luxury car owners. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Feb 09, 2007 1:18 pm) brightness04 (Feb 09, 2007 1:56 pm)
#23865 of 24700 Re: 2nd generation Phaeton slated for 2011 [dewey] by lexusguy Feb 09, 2007 (1:18 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Feb 09, 2007 10:54 am) Piesch through his crony Winterkorn are still calling the shots at VW. In otherwords VW will remain in denial and continue its brisk downhill slide in the auto industry. No matter who is supposedly in charge of VW, Piesch controls the whole show at VWAG. It will continue to be his game until he's off the board.
#23866 of 24700 Re: 2nd generation Phaeton slated for 2011 [dewey] by brightness04 Feb 09, 2007 (1:56 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Feb 09, 2007 10:54 am) Very much agree. It is sad to see one man's ego ruining a pedigreed business like that; the downside of tight family ownership I suppose. Sometimes one almost has to wonder if Piesche is doing this intentionally so Porsche can pick up VWAG on the cheap.
#23867 of 24700 Re: I'm no where [dewey] by brightness04 Feb 09, 2007 (2:06 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Feb 09, 2007 7:40 am) Ads from 2003, 2004 and 2005 are not exactly lost forever. One can easily look up newspaper ads from that time period in a well stocked library. Even MB advocates pleading short memory have some idea what the real scores were back then. That's why the insistence on 2007 models. The thing is, there isn't even a $20k price gap in MSRP for comparable 07 models, so defending that price premium is a non-starter. Replies to this message: syswei (Feb 09, 2007 2:09 pm)
#23868 of 24700 Re: I'm no where [brightness04] by syswei Feb 09, 2007 (2:09 pm)
Replying to: brightness04 (Feb 09, 2007 2:06 pm) there isn't even a $20k price gap in MSRP for comparable 07 models Actually we need to see an S450 before begining to talk about truly comparable models.
#23869 of 24700 Re: The A7 Again [dewey] by blkhemi Feb 09, 2007 (2:23 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Feb 09, 2007 7:48 am) I wouldn't be so fast, Dewey. This is still a computer rendering and I doubt highly that it will be green-lighted this way into production. For it to be the picture alone, this car doesn't seem to be at bigger than the current A4, a car that will inch up in size in '08.
#23870 of 24700 Re: Lexus Oil Sludge Problems [dewey] by blkhemi Feb 09, 2007 (2:26 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Feb 09, 2007 10:45 am) Now you understand why Lexus lost my business in '99 with the wifes LS400. Didn't have oil sludge buildup, but continued piston slap(from day one), carbon build-up, and constant transmission problems plagued what would've been a nice car. Funny, the CR of the year, the '01 S500 was flawless. Replies to this message: lexusguy (Feb 09, 2007 3:24 pm) houdini1 (Feb 09, 2007 4:37 pm)