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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#2360 of 24726 I'm a luxury car fan
Jun 27, 2003 (9:13 pm)
Hi everyone! I'm new to the luxury car board. I recently got an Audi A6 in February. Since then, I've already put close to 11,000 miles on it. I really like the way it drives--comfortable, fast enough for me, like the way it looks, and feels safe with the quattro. I've owned three BMW's before I finally got the Audi (a friend advised me to get one). Though I did research on it and found out that it had many, many bad reviews on the Audi board, I went ahead and purchased it after seeing it in person.
The three BMW's that I owned (I still have a 2000 model), all have had numerous problems with them. The first was a '94 525i. I spent an extra $11,000 on the car fixing it after the car overheated and killed the engine. Plus, the glass fog lights kept breaking every few months whenever a small rock hit it. The second was a '00 323Ci. I had to replace the speakers, amplifier, wood trimmings, instrument cluster, outside temperature gauge and door moldings (twice). The 2000 328Ci that my wife drives has had the VANOS intake system, wood trimmings, and door moldings (twice also) replaced. The only reason I haven't traded it in is because my wife likes the way it looks and likes to drive cars until it is at least five years old. A BMW specialist told me recently that BMW's are not made to be owned more than 60,000 miles. They are sprinters; not marathon cars like Japanese vehicles.
I've been following the news about the 2004 Audi A8 L every since I first saw it at Autoweek.com. It's the best luxury sedan I have ever seen. I even sent AudiUsa.com an e-mail telling them how in love I was with it when I saw it. I wish that I could afford one, but not in this economy right now. Maybe someday.
For those of you who don't like Japanese luxury cars, I tell you this--no car, in general, will last as long and as easy to maintain as the Japanese brands. Many of my relatives and friends own them, and they all have never had any complaints about them. They may not look as good or drive as nice as the Germans, but they are fine cars if you intend to keep them for several years.
If there are any owners out there who like or dislike their luxury cars, please post on this board or e-mail me at dwongswongyahoo.com telling me the likes and dislike about these fine cars. I want to know so that I can have an idea about what luxury car I want to get next. Also, if there is anyone who just got the 2004 A8, please let me know about your experience.
Thank you! And as always, drive safely out there.
Jun 29, 2003 (11:11 am)
why don't you try a mercedes there very good cars too.
#2363 of 24726 dwongswong
Jun 29, 2003 (10:08 pm)
Try asking on the A8 board, I think there are two people there that just got new 04' A8s.
#2364 of 24726 Horsepower War...
Jun 29, 2003 (11:39 pm)
I would like to pose the question to the room. How much hp is enough?
All the Euro luxury carmakers: Mercedes, BMW, Audi, VW, Jaguar, and Bentley are all pushing hp to levels that are just short of ridiculous. We won't even go into what Bugatti, Ferrari, Porsche and the like are up to.
Mercedes has 4 600+ hp cars coming in the next 12 months: SLR, CL65, SL65 and the S65. They already have SEVEN cars that produce nearly 500hp as it is!
BMW is preparing a 550hp V10 for the next M5 and their 760Li already produces over 400hp.
VW is working on a "R" Variant of the Phaeton with 600hp.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/?article=6164&n=156,178&s- - - - - id=178
Audi will no doubt have to produce another S8 or an even more potent RS8. The current RS6 has 450hp.
Bentley's new Continental GT has about 550 hp.
Cadillac has what is sure to be a performance bargain coming the 50K 400hp CTS-v.
Jaguar has a few cars (XKR, S-Type R, XJR) with around 400hp too.
The Maybach and Rolls Phantom wear their high-hp engines with pride.
I remember when 300hp was awesome (about 10 years ago) for a luxury car and 400hp was truly reserved for exotic sports cars and a handful of sedans, now ordinary "luxury" cars are carrying this much hp and more. Where will it all end?
Jun 29, 2003 (11:49 pm)
Speaking of the VW Phaeton, does anyone know the pricing or on-sale date?
Jun 30, 2003 (10:24 am)
Wow, I almost know that I am getting over my head writing in this discussion group.
Well, here goes:
A 2004 XJ8 with 18" wheels has a window sticker of about $60,000.00.
A 2003 MBZ E 500 with a sport pkg and a few more options has a window sticker of about $60,000.00.
Humbly, I am asking, which will provide the best all around (bang for my buck)?
Jun 30, 2003 (1:21 pm)
I don't think it will ever stop. If you look even farther back, 50 hp was considered enough for a high-end car. Just like Intel keeps rolling out faster processors, these guys will keep boosting hp.
#2368 of 24726 E500 vs XJ8
Jun 30, 2003 (9:05 pm)
Interesting comparo. These cars are pretty much even on paper. However they differ greatly in styling and character. The Benz is the colder more efficient one, the Jag the warmer sensual one. I would say drive both and then decide. Normally I'd hands-down say Benz all the way, but this new XJ is a stunner, and its the first Jaguar since I've been paying attention to cars that actually stays with the Germans on technical, detail engineering. The Jaguar I think is also bigger inside. Tough choice.
I have to think it will end somewhere, otherwise can you imagine 10 years from now!
#2369 of 24726 Oh, please
Jul 02, 2003 (8:39 am)
"A BMW specialist told me recently that BMW's are not made to be owned more than 60,000 miles"
Who was this "specialist?" The service writer at the Audi dealership? Sorry, but I know of too many very high mileage (>250k) daily driven Bimmers to believe that statement. In particular, the E30 3-series and the E28 and E34 5-series are known to be very hardy specimens. My '89 325is has only 160k, so we'll see how it holds up when it gets old. From the experiences of my friends who have owned them, I'd be less sanguine about the chances of an Audi making it that far.