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You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Feb 02, 2007 6:26 am) Likewise it seems that you feel the need to always down Mercedes at every turn. Whether it be the Maybach airbag issue, the GL or anything else...Mercedes always stinks according to you. The majority of the people who post here also seem to be staunch Mercedes defenders, yet invariably, when it comes time to pull the trigger and put their money where their mouth is, they buy some other brand. Yeah I used to hear this all the time. That I didn't have an opinion or couldn't possibly have any knowledge about a Mercedes because I didn't own one. Now I see on the LS board you referred to me as being an Mercedes owner, but the Mercedes I own isn't a HELC. Anyway, you'll have to ask the ones that defend Mercedes, but don't own one as this doesn't apply to me anymore. Been waiting a long time to say that! One thing that I've noticed though is that the majority of the Mercedes detractors have never, ever owned one either. Most of which don't post here anymore, but always swore up and down that they knew so much about Mercedes due to their friends, family etc. yet when you read their knocks against Mercedes you could tell they really didn't have a clue beyond what Consumer Reports or JD Powers told them. I noticed that some Lexus owners who used to own Mercedes are a little more open minded and/or fair on the whole issue. Just my observation in the 7+ years I've posted here. Why is that? And why do you seem to be about the only Mercedes guy here who actually owns one? If I am overlooking someone please forgive me. Well a lot of folks have left the board and/or don't post here anymore. M |
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Replying to: drfill (Feb 02, 2007 6:48 am) I love it! You change the subject when you're licked! We were talking about the LS getting a series of lukewarm reviews and now you're talking about Mercedes S-Class advertising. Think Mercedes noticed that the buzz is gone, just like that? I wonder what happened? Think it bothers them that the Lexus parking itself is THE BUZZ? Who knows, who cares...why don't you write them and ask them. Seriously doc you're just grasping as straws here now. Over 3000 sales, compared to 2000 for the S-Class (a 50% drop in sales for the S might be considered an impact, since the S WAS consistently over 3k last year). Apparently you're just plucking numbers out of thin air because the S-Class did not drop 50 percent in Jan 2007 compared to Jan 2006. When are you going to actually read a sales report before posting? The S-Class sold 923 units in Jan of last year which was the old S-Class not the new one since the new didn't go on sale until Feb. The S sold 2078 units in Jan of 2007 that is a 125 percent increase. I don't fault anyone for not talking to you about this, because your credibility is long gone. This from someone who just tried to feed us this nonsense about the S-Class' sales dropping 50 percent vs last year! Talk about credibility! Just like your Lexus GS' sales dropped in the second year the S-Class will do the same, it is a normal trend. Those initial months of 3000 plus units won't ever be reached again, nor is it supposed to be. I know you'll not pretend that you don't know this and that the S is somehow doing a flop in the market place. The Lexus LS is more than a match for the S550. I've driven them, spent time with both, and I agree with Edmunds accessment, who eagerly reference the S550 whenever the talk about the LS. Yeah right, keep repeating that and maybe you'll actually get someone to believe it. It is clear to me that you're in denial at this point. In previous years the LS proved its place was secure review after review, now it has been reduced to lukewarm reviews here and there and a stunning loss at its previously #1 magazine. Yet you still act as though nothing as changed. Clear denial. BTW, MT also found the LS faster. Not an isolated incident. Really doc? Their "First Drive" of the LS460 in the Oct 2006 issue listed a "MFR EST" time of 5.4 secs, not an actual test result. BTW the the LS has never, even been able to get this number when actually tested. Anyway, then in the January issue in the COTY testing they got a 5.7 0-60 time for the LS460 SWB model compared to 5.6 secs for the S550. So you're just flat wrong again, now what was that about credibility doc? Either you're mistaken or you're trying to pull the Lexus vinyl over our eyes! Oh I get it you're talking about the 1/4 mile times I'm sure? That is where the SWB LS is faster than the LWB by default S550 per MT's testing. M |
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Replying to: designman (Feb 02, 2007 7:31 am) I guess now that since I don't own a S550 I'm not eligible to comment. Boy is this you don't own one you can't comment/angle as tired as ever. M
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Replying to: merc1 (Feb 02, 2007 8:23 am) What would be very much appreciated from you and others is that we back away from the personal confrontations that have been happening here. Most times it's better to let an annoying statement pass rather than fly off at the person who made it. |
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Is Doc a credible source after his SC review? LG, I saw the Top Gear review of the XKR VS Vantage V8. I was very impressed with how balanced it looked while being driven hard. It was the best looking coupe at the auto show period. It's amazing how one can read a review and come away with a different take than someone else. BTW, the A8 still gives me goose bumps when I slip behind the wheel. [the wheel of the one at the show that is  ]
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As the host has pointed out, and we have all known all along, there is no way we could all own all the cars we talk about in this high end forum... well maybe blkhemi could.  I have indeed owned a few Mercedes vehicles, and I can assure you that an extra visit or two to the shop was all that I ever experienced beyond normal maintenance. The Mercedes were terrific. So far, the wife's Jaguar XJ Vanden Plas has had zero problems. I admit I am a bit surprised at that. I guess things are much better for Jag. The Porsche is too new to know yet, but if it's like my last ones, it will need some repairs... so I purchased the extended warranty!... potential problem solved! Some of us clearly show more bias here than others (no names needed), but there are no rules against bias... although I think it is a limiting factor. Preferences are a little better, perhaps they allow us to keep an open mind. But call it whatever you want, I sure do love the Eurocars, there is no question in my mind about that. TagMan |
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It's true. I don't like the Lexus LS. I guess it would be fair to explain this. As I said in one of my previous posts, the Lexus LS is great at isolating the driver from the road and surroundings... instead of connecting the driver to the road. This is a big difference, IMO. I definately prefer to be connected to the road and not disconnected from it. Beyond that, I just don't seem to have any affection for the style. Even though it's better than the previous model, overall, I still don't think it is exciting or dramatic in any way. It never makes my pulse increase. I honestly think the only use and desire I would have for one would be an LS460L, and to sit in that back right side seat with the foot rest and massage, and turn up the Mark Levinson system and relax. But who would drive? And why do that in a car when I would rather do that in my home? It's a poor excuse to buy a car, anyway. So... truth is what it is. Sorry to you Lexus fans. I just can't help myself to lust over those gorgeous and more fun-to-drive Eurocars that actually connect to the road!  TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Feb 02, 2007 9:13 am) It keeps looking to me like many/most/all (?) of you make up your minds from what you read and not what you experience. If that's what you want to do for yourself, more power to you; it's no skin off my nose or anyone else's. I just know that I'd have to experience something for myself before I make a judgment about any specific attribute. How it actually feels to me is way more important that how it feels to someone who happens to be writing about it. (But I will say that I would never, ever have any interest in the self parallel park dealy and I don't have to experience it to know that.  )
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