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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 31, 2007 5:00 pm) $59k is allowed in for the simple reason that mfrs and retailers love those $99.99 price points. Base MSRP at $53k and $55k however are a far cry from $60k. What you consider "real-life typical add-ons" may not be either real-life or typical for others. That's why Edmunds made it explicitly clear that just because a car can be optioned up to over $60k, it does not belong to HELC if the base MSRP is substantially below $60k. GL's claim to top SUV offering is also iffy. It shares platform with M and R. MB's top offering used to be the "G Wagon" It's stopped for this year, so M/R/GL platform triplets is the only MB SUV here. If Lexus paused the LX for a year, are we to automaticly include GX in HELC? Likewise if LS/S/7 skipped a model year, should GS/E/5 come in? |
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Replying to: hpowders (Feb 01, 2007 7:19 pm) Yes. That would be an LS460L with Touring Pkg. I agree with you.  DrFill |
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we should probably agree to disagree. Two immovable objects. And that's perfectly okay! Your point of view is needed here. I will always defend your right to say whatever it is you are attempting to say. Fair and balanced. 
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Replying to: tagman (Feb 01, 2007 3:37 pm) What per centage of that 17,069 "sales" booked in January were actual sales? How many of them will have to come back in 24-36 months on MB's dough? When a vendor embarks on a campaign of vendor financing, it will have to constantly increase sales volume. It's a treadmill that he can not afford to get off. |
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Replying to: brightness04 (Feb 01, 2007 7:33 pm) Let's not forget that the goal of a successful business is to have repeat customers, not necessarily happy or even satisfied customers. Razors and razor blades, construction equipment and replacement parts, and the illegal drug business are all good examples of the benefits that accrue to the business when the customer is forced to return time and time again. Incidentally, the lack of repeat sales is in a nutshell is why airlines are broke and consumer electronics chains come and go. |
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Replying to: drfill (Feb 01, 2007 7:16 pm) Solution: Make it as slow as the Mercedes, then you wouldn't need so much braking force. C,mon Doc. You're throwing out sarcasm when you have no need. You've got yourself an overall decent review, with respectable 0-60 times, but pitiful braking. OK... it is what it is. Now, all of a sudden the Mercedes is slow? The solution is better brakes for the LS, it's that simple. TagMan |
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Feb 01, 2007 7:50 pm)
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As long as you misuse the word "decent", my response is accurate and warranted. The words "decent", or "nice" or "fair" never came up in the review. The LS460L is not a "decent" car.  You're better than that, Tag. DrFill
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Replying to: drfill (Feb 01, 2007 8:19 pm) Why the semantics? According to the dictionary decent means respectable, fair, and other positive things as well. There is nothing wrong with the word I chose. If it makes you feel better, I have no problem whatsoever with acknowledging that the review was a "nice" one, because for the most part it was. I think most reviews, when taken collectively, have been "nice" about the LS. It is a fine car. I have my personal criticisms about it, and throughout the many reviews we have heard other's criticisms... some similar and some different. As I have always said, the concensus is what I go by when paying attention to reviews, because they are all unique in certain ways, but ultimately a clearer picture comes through about the car, and that's what counts, IMO. Beyond the reviews, my own opinion is what counts most to me, of course, but we are talking about a concensus from the many reviews here, and my opinion has nothing to do with that. Based upon reviews so far, the LS is clearly at this point a quiet, luxurious, quick, and comfortable cruiser that isolates the driver from the road, as opposed to connecting the driver to the road. This last item is not necessarily bad, just not my preference. Some of the car sounds great, while some not so great, such as brakes, of course. But, please don't get upset with my choice of words, for goodness sakes, when I am really being fair. You know I will not get out the trumpets for an LS, but I will give it any objective credit it deserves when it becomes quite certain that it is due. And, I expect you to be fair also, Doc. I hope that is good enough for you, cause it's the best you're gonna get. TagMan |
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Replying to: brightness04 (Feb 01, 2007 8:04 pm) LF-A. A looker as reported by Merc. Jury still out on if it will in fact have sporting aspirations. But if looks are any indication IS-F. is not, my God what is that thing they attached to the front, a jaws of life to better remove the driver in case of boredom? Probably fast, but see above. Camaro. is very sharp. XKR. Wow, like week in the knees, wow. TT. very sleek, and modern with a great interior. Why people look at the SC over this is beyond me. Oh, that's right the SC is a juggernaut that nobody knows about. Silly me. Aura. Quite a job they did on this one. Very surprised. S80. Same thing, one of the best new designs re. four door sedans. I don't know about the dynamics but, if it's un- Volvo like it could be a contender. Audi. In general, everything from Audi sucked because simply put, they aren't a major player here so they don't matter. ROFLMFAO |
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