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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
gladly give up most of that superficial fluff stuff in exchange for the priceless peace of mind in having excellent brakes, such as the extraordinary stopping power one finds in the BMW 7 and Audi A8, for example. 
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Replying to: drfill (Feb 01, 2007 7:01 pm) Quicker to 60 than the S550 is an objective and legitimate feather in the LS cap, if it is true by the final concensus of reviews. I would give you that without any spin. The rest is subjective material. The brakes, well they are objective material, and they ain't no good. TagMan |
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It should brake better. Solution: Make it as slow as the Mercedes, then you wouldn't need so much braking force. And bring the handling down to BMW-levels, while you're at it (just don't get the Touring Pkg. if you want to do either).  We wouldn't want it to do everything better. That would be overkill.  DrFill
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Nope. That would be a superb vehicle. 
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 31, 2007 5:00 pm) $59k is allowed in for the simple reason that mfrs and retailers love those $99.99 price points. Base MSRP at $53k and $55k however are a far cry from $60k. What you consider "real-life typical add-ons" may not be either real-life or typical for others. That's why Edmunds made it explicitly clear that just because a car can be optioned up to over $60k, it does not belong to HELC if the base MSRP is substantially below $60k. GL's claim to top SUV offering is also iffy. It shares platform with M and R. MB's top offering used to be the "G Wagon" It's stopped for this year, so M/R/GL platform triplets is the only MB SUV here. If Lexus paused the LX for a year, are we to automaticly include GX in HELC? Likewise if LS/S/7 skipped a model year, should GS/E/5 come in? |
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Replying to: hpowders (Feb 01, 2007 7:19 pm) Yes. That would be an LS460L with Touring Pkg. I agree with you. DrFill |
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we should probably agree to disagree. Two immovable objects. And that's perfectly okay! Your point of view is needed here. I will always defend your right to say whatever it is you are attempting to say. Fair and balanced. 
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Replying to: tagman (Feb 01, 2007 3:37 pm) What per centage of that 17,069 "sales" booked in January were actual sales? How many of them will have to come back in 24-36 months on MB's dough? When a vendor embarks on a campaign of vendor financing, it will have to constantly increase sales volume. It's a treadmill that he can not afford to get off. |
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Replying to: brightness04 (Feb 01, 2007 7:33 pm) Let's not forget that the goal of a successful business is to have repeat customers, not necessarily happy or even satisfied customers. Razors and razor blades, construction equipment and replacement parts, and the illegal drug business are all good examples of the benefits that accrue to the business when the customer is forced to return time and time again. Incidentally, the lack of repeat sales is in a nutshell is why airlines are broke and consumer electronics chains come and go. |
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Replying to: drfill (Feb 01, 2007 7:16 pm) Solution: Make it as slow as the Mercedes, then you wouldn't need so much braking force. C,mon Doc. You're throwing out sarcasm when you have no need. You've got yourself an overall decent review, with respectable 0-60 times, but pitiful braking. OK... it is what it is. Now, all of a sudden the Mercedes is slow? The solution is better brakes for the LS, it's that simple. TagMan |
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