High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#23530 of 24700 Trump?... What trump? by tagman Feb 01, 2007 (6:42 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Feb 01, 2007 4:11 pm) Why is a reasonably decent write-up on a Lexus LS such a huge deal to you? I would think you would have expected a mostly positive review with the same old complaints about grabby brakes and a horrendous 136 ft stopping distance. What's the big deal? TagMan Replies to this message: hpowders (Feb 01, 2007 6:53 pm) drfill (Feb 01, 2007 7:01 pm) tagman (Feb 01, 2007 7:16 pm) merc1 (Feb 01, 2007 9:54 pm)
#23531 of 24700 "I was willing to do anything to save my job..." by drfill Feb 01, 2007 (6:48 pm)
Tara Conner, 21, reigning Miss USA "I didn't think I had an issue -- but I was willing to do anything to save my job. ... I've realized that I suffer from the disease* of alcoholism and addiction,"* Now, She's itching to return to her Miss USA duties. Alcohol, though, was her biggest vice. "I'm an alcoholic. "Cocaine was one of the drugs that I did use," she says. Her mother, Brenda Johnson, tells the magazine that Conner once showed up to school drunk when she was 14. Oops! Those are not offical Miss USA "activies". Now, She's itching to return to her Miss USA duties. "I just can't wait to get back to work -- 'I'm Miss USA, my name is Tara Conner, and I'm happy to meet you,' you know? Life is good." "And in conclusion, all I can say is I'm Miss USA, and you're not! And I might've done anything so that Donald, I mean "Big Daddy", would let me keep my job..." That last part might not be a direct quote....put that last one on my tab.... DrFill
#23532 of 24700 Re: Trump?... What trump? [tagman] by hpowders Feb 01, 2007 (6:53 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Feb 01, 2007 6:42 pm) "The same old complaints." LOL!!
#23534 of 24700 Re: Trump?... What trump? [tagman] by drfill Feb 01, 2007 (7:01 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Feb 01, 2007 6:42 pm) Nothing of note was mentioned: Faster than the S550 and 750i. Beautifully damped ride motions. Feels sportier at higher speeds. Better slalom, SWB and LWB, than 750i. Suitably rich interior. Expect just as much performance as coddling. Might get better braking with Touring Pkg. Get the Parking Assist! Worth the $700. Same old stuff indeed! Sweet! I love the taste of "Vindication Pie". Delicious! I'd offer you some, but....uh....no! You can't get none! I'd rather ramble, than stumble, my friend. DrFill Replies to this message: tagman (Feb 01, 2007 7:16 pm) merc1 (Feb 01, 2007 9:54 pm)
#23535 of 24700 I would... by hpowders Feb 01, 2007 (7:09 pm)
gladly give up most of that superficial fluff stuff in exchange for the priceless peace of mind in having excellent brakes, such as the extraordinary stopping power one finds in the BMW 7 and Audi A8, for example.
#23536 of 24700 Re: Trump?... What trump? [drfill] by tagman Feb 01, 2007 (7:16 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Feb 01, 2007 7:01 pm) Yes. Objective issues matter. Quicker to 60 than the S550 is an objective and legitimate feather in the LS cap, if it is true by the final concensus of reviews. I would give you that without any spin. The rest is subjective material. The brakes, well they are objective material, and they ain't no good. TagMan
#23537 of 24700 You're right! by drfill Feb 01, 2007 (7:16 pm)
It should brake better. Solution: Make it as slow as the Mercedes, then you wouldn't need so much braking force. And bring the handling down to BMW-levels, while you're at it (just don't get the Touring Pkg. if you want to do either). We wouldn't want it to do everything better. That would be overkill. DrFill Replies to this message: tagman (Feb 01, 2007 8:01 pm)
#23538 of 24700 That would be overkill by hpowders Feb 01, 2007 (7:19 pm)
Nope. That would be a superb vehicle. Replies to this message: drfill (Feb 01, 2007 7:25 pm)
#23539 of 24700 Re: LG, RX 300-350 [tagman] by brightness04 Feb 01, 2007 (7:21 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 31, 2007 5:00 pm) Rather than get into semantics, let's just accept Edmunds' criteria and try to not over-analyze it. The MSRP plus "real-life" typical add-ons is the point. $59k is allowed in for the simple reason that mfrs and retailers love those $99.99 price points. Base MSRP at $53k and $55k however are a far cry from $60k. What you consider "real-life typical add-ons" may not be either real-life or typical for others. That's why Edmunds made it explicitly clear that just because a car can be optioned up to over $60k, it does not belong to HELC if the base MSRP is substantially below $60k. GL's claim to top SUV offering is also iffy. It shares platform with M and R. MB's top offering used to be the "G Wagon" It's stopped for this year, so M/R/GL platform triplets is the only MB SUV here. If Lexus paused the LX for a year, are we to automaticly include GX in HELC? Likewise if LS/S/7 skipped a model year, should GS/E/5 come in?