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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: LG, RX 300-350 [merc1] by houdini1
Jan 31, 2007 (10:18 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 31, 2007 9:09 am)

Sigh.....nobody includes the destination charges in MSRP. Just like the taxes you have to pay or doc fees or whatever are not incl. in MSRP. You might as well also include the cost of your first years gasoline in the MSRP as well. Maybe you can hit the magic $60,000. number yet.
 
I'm not saying the Range Rover is not a good vehicle. I'm just saying I prefer the LX 470. That is why I own one. Since you own neither, just what is your beef?
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houdini1 and merc1 by pat HOST
Jan 31, 2007 (11:14 am)
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It's time to agree to disagree and move on.
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Re: LG, RX 300-350 [houdini1] by tagman
Jan 31, 2007 (12:06 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 31, 2007 10:18 am)

Houdini, The base price is relevant only to the level that it includes enough typical equipment. In other words, a $59K vehicle would only need $1K worth of options/accessories to qualify. In real life, you would be hard pressed to find a GL selling anywhere under $60K, and real-life prices typically and easily reach into the $60's, $70's and beyond.
 
Therefore the spirit and intention of the $60K price arena is more than met by real-life pricing, and further the GL represents MB's top tier SUV, and that also gives further merit to it's inclusion here. It's pretty darned obvious, for goodness sakes.
 
BTW, there is nothing wrong, IMO, with your preference for an LX470, however the Range Rover is indeed quite an incredible SUV. If its reliability was a bit better it would be even more appealing, IMO.
 
TagMan
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Re: Report of Incredible Porsche Profitability [designman] by tayl0rd
Jan 31, 2007 (12:27 pm)
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Replying to: designman (Jan 30, 2007 5:10 am)

Hmm, not sure about that after a '71 Hemi Cuda got 2.2 mil at auction. Veyron brings some serious numbers to the table starting with only 300 being made and being sold at a loss to the company. ...
 
But there were only 11 of those Hemi Cudas ever made, and not all of those are in existance anymore. With 300 of the Veyrons running around, It probably won't reach that kind of value. The main thing that makes American muscle so desirable nowadays is the fact that they were actually obtainable by the middle-class man. The Veyron is unobtainable by anybody other than the richest of the rich. And for a car that starts out that high to ever become a collector's item, it has to be a superluxury saloon. What sports car that costs that relative kind of money has ever fetched the bucks of a rare, superluxury saloon on the collector's market? I don't think any. I could be wrong.
 
The Shelby Cobra doesn't count. As expensive as it was in its day, a person still didn't have to heat their home with the flames of $100 bills to be able to buy one.
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Re: LG, RX 300-350 [tagman] by brightness04
Jan 31, 2007 (12:51 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 31, 2007 12:06 pm)

Glad to hear someone else think real life pricing matters, for a change. The real life pricing for GL450 is $699/mo according to MBUSA. At that price, it's getting mighty close to the $750/mo cut-off line that I proposed earlier for HELC. On the other hand, if we just stick with MSRP, MBUSA says GL MSRP is $53.1k, and GL450 MSRP is $55.6k, missing the $60k line by quite a wide margin. Incidentally, I suggested earlier that a real-life after-all-discount cash price of $52k would better describe the substance behind a $60k MSRP. On the GL, it really shows what the equivalent price points are when there's relatively little financial engineering by the manufacturer messing with the numbers.
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Re: Interiors [merc1] by esf
Jan 31, 2007 (3:53 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 30, 2007 10:47 pm)

merc1, you're on fire with these posts. One after another- banging them out!
 
But you're starting to sound like AutoSpies in your fervor. The LS, while I wouldn't pick it over the German three, is a fine car. New one addresses the style issue (somewhat), and gives it a very good engine. Believe me, you don't want to end up like AutoSpies.
 
You have no idea how sick I am of hearing about "reliability" and "#1 in America." Hell on Earth doesn't seem to be a myth, after all. At least for car fans.
 
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
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Re: Interiors [lexusguy] by esf
Jan 31, 2007 (3:56 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 30, 2007 11:00 pm)

I want it.
 
I see CL550s (rarely, albeit) on the road now. Stunningly beautiful, in a brash way.
 
I'll have to drive it, and if it's good enough, I might have to sacrifice having a convertible.
 
If my wife ended up with an '07 S550 4Matic next year (yes, used), and I got the CL550 in a few years, that would be adorable. The two ultra-luxury Benzes!
 
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
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Re: I'm sick of this interior decorator bickering! [drfill] by esf
Jan 31, 2007 (3:58 pm)
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Replying to: drfill (Jan 30, 2007 11:07 pm)

Of course, you didn't mention the A8, because there's nothing you can do to bash its interior. One magazine even said it was "the sexiest sedan interior" they'd ever seen.
 
The 7 Series interior isn't that bad, either. And the S-Class's is far better, believe me. Sit in it. Just the feel of the steering wheel will tell you.
 
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
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Re: LG, RX 300-350 [houdini1] by esf
Jan 31, 2007 (4:03 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 31, 2007 8:45 am)

Nope, you're wrong.
 
Don't you think you should check the Mercedes website, and not just Edmunds?
 
GL320 CDI: $53,175
 
GL450: $55,675
 
And what's better about the LX470 than the Range Rover? I'd MUCH rather have a Range Rover, but I do like the way the LX looks.
 
Range Rover advantages:
 
Modern technology
 
Looks
 
Contemporary, beautifully finished interior
 
Engine
 
AWD system
 
Prestige/desirability/glamor
 
I want one
 
Game point, Range Rover.
 
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
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Re: LG, RX 300-350 [brightness04] by tagman
Jan 31, 2007 (4:11 pm)
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Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 31, 2007 12:51 pm)

Glad to hear someone else think real life pricing matters, for a change.
 
In terms of defining eligibility for inclusion here in this forum, MSRP plus typical options is the criteria.
 
So, my reference (unlike yours) to real-life pricing is not with regards to discounts or subsidies or promotions or ultimate selling prices, but rather the ultimate real-life typical retail price that results when typical options, packages and accessories are taken into account and added to the MSRP.
 
After I read your post, I figured I had better clarify that.
 
TagMan

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