High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#23478 of 24700 I'm sick of this interior decorator bickering! by drfill Jan 30, 2007 (11:07 pm)
Apparently, no one make a top-notch interior! The BMW is universally panned, and the S-Class apes that. The Camry has been passed styling cues from the LS, so now the LS is no good. I guess because the Maybach and Benz are sharing an interior, neither of them are any good. I'm still not sure why Acura is in this forum. When you try to reinvent the wheel, you will screw it up (ask BMW). Many vehicles share parts, styling cues, and layout with lower-priced cars. I can look at 3 different Mercedes front ends and not know what car I'm looking at. Porsche only has one interior from what I can tell. Everyone lives in a glass house on this one. The only maker who still can't make an interior livable is BMW. And I don't think they care! DrFill Replies to this message: esf (Jan 31, 2007 3:58 pm)
#23479 of 24700 Re: Interiors [lexusguy] by merc1 Jan 30, 2007 (11:08 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 30, 2007 11:00 pm) I knew when the SLK and CLS arrived that Mercedes had learned their lesson about interiors. The S and CL just gave them the chance to really pour it on thick. Too bad the folks in Bama at MBUSI still aren't on the same page. Better than the first generation ML for sure, but the R/GL/ML still aren't cut from the same German cloth. M
#23480 of 24700 Re: Topic [merc1] by pat HOST Jan 31, 2007 (4:28 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 30, 2007 10:54 pm) Feel free to email Sylvia and discuss it with her. But let's please stop kicking this back and forth in here.
#23481 of 24700 Re: LG, RX 300-350 [merc1] by houdini1 Jan 31, 2007 (8:45 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 30, 2007 10:20 pm) Sorry, wrong again. Your silly argument on starting prices of the GL should be with Edmunds, not me. The 320 CDI starts at $52,400. and the GL 450 starts at $54,900. Keep trying and you will get it right eventually. Replies to this message: merc1 (Jan 31, 2007 9:09 am) houdini1 (Jan 31, 2007 10:18 am) tagman (Jan 31, 2007 12:06 pm) and 7 more... esf (Jan 31, 2007 4:03 pm) houdini1 (Jan 31, 2007 4:14 pm) tagman (Jan 31, 2007 4:24 pm)
#23482 of 24700 Re: LG, RX 300-350 [houdini1] by merc1 Jan 31, 2007 (9:09 am)
Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 31, 2007 8:45 am) Guy, do you know what a destination charge is? Try adding it and then posting. Eventually you'll get it right. If anyone is being silly it is you by hiding behind a price difference of 5K or so to disqualify a vehicle that you know full well is a competitor to the LX470. Then not being able to actually read a price in the first place. Now thats silly. I'm still waiting on a valid reason as to why the Range Rover doesn't stomp the ancient LX470? You're the one using their prices so the problem lies with you and this fuzzy math. First the GL had a price in the 40K, now you're not able to get the actual sticker price right. You'll not find a GL anywhere for the prices you listed. M Replies to this message: houdini1 (Jan 31, 2007 10:18 am) tagman (Jan 31, 2007 12:06 pm) brightness04 (Jan 31, 2007 12:51 pm) and 4 more... houdini1 (Jan 31, 2007 5:02 pm) and 1 more...
#23483 of 24700 Re: LG, RX 300-350 [merc1] by houdini1 Jan 31, 2007 (10:18 am)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 31, 2007 9:09 am) Sigh.....nobody includes the destination charges in MSRP. Just like the taxes you have to pay or doc fees or whatever are not incl. in MSRP. You might as well also include the cost of your first years gasoline in the MSRP as well. Maybe you can hit the magic $60,000. number yet. I'm not saying the Range Rover is not a good vehicle. I'm just saying I prefer the LX 470. That is why I own one. Since you own neither, just what is your beef? Replies to this message: tagman (Jan 31, 2007 12:06 pm) brightness04 (Jan 31, 2007 12:51 pm) tagman (Jan 31, 2007 4:11 pm) and 3 more... houdini1 (Jan 31, 2007 5:02 pm) tagman (Jan 31, 2007 5:13 pm)
#23484 of 24700 houdini1 and merc1 by pat HOST Jan 31, 2007 (11:14 am)
It's time to agree to disagree and move on.
#23485 of 24700 Re: LG, RX 300-350 [houdini1] by tagman Jan 31, 2007 (12:06 pm)
Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 31, 2007 10:18 am) Houdini, The base price is relevant only to the level that it includes enough typical equipment. In other words, a $59K vehicle would only need $1K worth of options/accessories to qualify. In real life, you would be hard pressed to find a GL selling anywhere under $60K, and real-life prices typically and easily reach into the $60's, $70's and beyond. Therefore the spirit and intention of the $60K price arena is more than met by real-life pricing, and further the GL represents MB's top tier SUV, and that also gives further merit to it's inclusion here. It's pretty darned obvious, for goodness sakes. BTW, there is nothing wrong, IMO, with your preference for an LX470, however the Range Rover is indeed quite an incredible SUV. If its reliability was a bit better it would be even more appealing, IMO. TagMan Replies to this message: brightness04 (Jan 31, 2007 12:51 pm) tagman (Jan 31, 2007 4:11 pm) brightness04 (Jan 31, 2007 4:36 pm) and 2 more... houdini1 (Jan 31, 2007 5:02 pm) tagman (Jan 31, 2007 5:13 pm)
#23486 of 24700 Re: Report of Incredible Porsche Profitability [designman] by tayl0rd Jan 31, 2007 (12:27 pm)
Replying to: designman (Jan 30, 2007 5:10 am) Hmm, not sure about that after a '71 Hemi Cuda got 2.2 mil at auction. Veyron brings some serious numbers to the table starting with only 300 being made and being sold at a loss to the company. ... But there were only 11 of those Hemi Cudas ever made, and not all of those are in existance anymore. With 300 of the Veyrons running around, It probably won't reach that kind of value. The main thing that makes American muscle so desirable nowadays is the fact that they were actually obtainable by the middle-class man. The Veyron is unobtainable by anybody other than the richest of the rich. And for a car that starts out that high to ever become a collector's item, it has to be a superluxury saloon. What sports car that costs that relative kind of money has ever fetched the bucks of a rare, superluxury saloon on the collector's market? I don't think any. I could be wrong. The Shelby Cobra doesn't count. As expensive as it was in its day, a person still didn't have to heat their home with the flames of $100 bills to be able to buy one. Replies to this message: designman (Feb 01, 2007 6:26 am) tayl0rd (Feb 01, 2007 10:53 am)
#23487 of 24700 Re: LG, RX 300-350 [tagman] by brightness04 Jan 31, 2007 (12:51 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 31, 2007 12:06 pm) Glad to hear someone else think real life pricing matters, for a change. The real life pricing for GL450 is $699/mo according to MBUSA. At that price, it's getting mighty close to the $750/mo cut-off line that I proposed earlier for HELC. On the other hand, if we just stick with MSRP, MBUSA says GL MSRP is $53.1k, and GL450 MSRP is $55.6k, missing the $60k line by quite a wide margin. Incidentally, I suggested earlier that a real-life after-all-discount cash price of $52k would better describe the substance behind a $60k MSRP. On the GL, it really shows what the equivalent price points are when there's relatively little financial engineering by the manufacturer messing with the numbers. Replies to this message: tagman (Jan 31, 2007 4:11 pm) brightness04 (Jan 31, 2007 4:36 pm) tagman (Jan 31, 2007 5:00 pm) and 1 more...