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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: drfill (Jan 30, 2007 3:44 pm) The Benz SL is pure style,... The Benz would be an awesome weekend toy, doh! ALL true! Thanks, Doc!!  TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 30, 2007 3:56 pm) |
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Replying to: jl618 (Jan 27, 2007 10:37 pm) Audi A8- although you have to want to be subtle, the A8's style is seductive and classy. It is complemented by a drop-dead gorgeous interior (with flip-out 7 or 8" screen) drenched in wood trim. Luxury isn't this car's only calling card- fantastic dynamics abound. The A8 is noted as having "the best handling in its class", but this is compromised somewhat by a slightly firmer ride than, say, an S-Class. BMW 7 Series- it's appealing, but there's no reason not to buy the Audi or Lexus over it. You have to really want the badge. A8 has better dynamics and luxury, LS has better luxury and reliability. It also has questionable style, though I like it. The interior isn't below-par by any means, however; clearly the king of the BMW heap on the inside. Also has a great V8 engine. Lexus LS460- pure luxury. However, its interior (which I feel is executed less-fashionably than the A8 and S-Class), which is filled with convenient touches and technology, is let down by its disappointing dynamics. For me, it's a deal breaker. You may be more into pampering and luxury. If so, spring for the LS460L over the standard wheelbase. Mercedes-Benz S550- if the A8 was the best compromise between sport and luxury before, this is now, but with an added dash of style. The S-Class is perhaps the most desirable sedan in the world, and deservedly so. The styling is an acquired taste (I've acquired it), but the interior is a masterful combination of form and function, and the engine is creamy-smooth, and very powerful (equal to Lexus here). However, something the new LS doesn't have is the sporty dynamics. Without the slightly harsh ride of an A8L, the S-Class has supreme handling in addition to its opulence. All this greatness comes at a price, though; far more expensive than the others, this big Benz can easily surpass six figures. But don't listen to me. I'm just un-biased. '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
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Replying to: esf (Jan 30, 2007 6:06 pm) Has anyone had any luck purchasing/ordering one for the base MSRP of 82K (or so)? Now that would be an attractive deal. |
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 30, 2007 8:31 am) Totally agree. I will add that I can’t stand the butterfly shape and tall orientation of the LS centerstack. It is so discordant and independent of the dash, kind of like the buckle on an old wide cowboy belt. To make another comparison, it reminds me of an extra bold serif font—can’t stand them and I can’t recall ever using one throughout my career. If I buy an LS it would have to have a black interior to camouflage the grotesque centerstack. Black does a lot to mitigate the damages. The dash/centerstack relationship is incredibly undesigned IMO. I must mention however that I also do not care for the interiors of the rest of the cars in the masthead of this thread. They all have shortcomings with layout. The exception is the Audi. I agree with the majority here.
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Replying to: designman (Jan 30, 2007 8:03 pm) It doesn't flow. It doesn't look very expensive. It's covered with plastic and buttons. The S-Class and A8 interiors look bejeweled by comparison. '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
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Replying to: designman (Jan 30, 2007 8:03 pm)  BTW, an interesting interior I happen to like is found in the Range Rover.  TagMan
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 29, 2007 10:07 am) I didn't think I had to spell everything out for you, but the GL450 starts at 55,675. No unless the LX comes in a Diesel why would I compare it to the GL320 CDI? Also, the GL320 CDI starts at 53,175, not 52K. So you're the one that is WRONG as usual. Besides both of those prices are a long ways away from the 40K range you first gave in an effort to disqualify the GL from being compared to the LX. I only mentioned the ML because I drove the ML and the LX back to back and exposed the ML for the cheap pretender that it was. Actually the 3 year old LX and the new ML were priced about the same at that time, but as I said there was really no comparison at all. Makes no sense at all. You're comparing the price of a used vehicle that happens to be priced at the same level as a new one. What nonsense. A Major League HELC LS VS a Bush League Tin Can ML. Gee now the LS and ML are competitors? Who said that the ML was high-end? Just too ridiculous, so much so that you can't keep which Benz to knock in mind from one paragraph to the next. I like how you haven't been able to come up with a reason why the Range Rover doesn't trounce your LX. You can't use price, all you got is reliablity and that ain't all that. Still wanna say that the GL and Range Rover can't be given away? M |
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Replying to: drfill (Jan 29, 2007 8:03 pm) Doc, you're still making excuses for this car. Saying that is competes against some of the best performing cars in the world is a back-handed compliment. They're GT cars, not sports cars and the SC430 flunks at comparing to them also. The only real sports cars the SC is compared to from time to time is the 911. Ok none of the others in the class can get with a 911 dynamically, but there in no excuse you can come up with as to why the SC430 can't even get with a CLK, SL, XK, 650i, or XLR in the driving department. A very successful car? Yep in sales and quality, ditch everything else. I love how you pick and choose which criteria to use for your rants, depending on the Lexus of the hour. M |
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 29, 2007 11:41 pm) That said I do remember them feeling of higher quality than most Acuras back then, save for the last Legend (91-95). In those pics, their designs are so similar to the point of splitting hairs to say which is better. Its all blah Japanese design as its best. Of course Acura has nothing to compare to a S-Class, A8 or LS so that is sorta unfair. Now the IS and ES do have better interiors than the TL, I agree there. Ditto for the GS compared to the RL. M |
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