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Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#23335 of 24723 Re: Hey [drfill]
by reality2
Jan 28, 2007 (8:42 pm)
How are they beleagured? Audi is rampant with cash (capital return is one of the highest in the industry soaring from from 9.7% to over 13% in 2006 - higher than BMW)..sales are high everywhere (36% gains in the last two months), (1 million plus this year easily), most recommended new models by CR in their latest issue, much more than your precious Toyota Lexus. You completely missed the mark of the comments by AoA president. He wasn't putting down POS Lexus, but stating that the hype surrounding it is over exaggerated considering its second (maybe third) tier global standing. Lexus will never catch Audi globally in sales, yet alone prestige, as Audi continues to grow and expand. No, Audi doesn't sell as much cars as POS Lexus does in the US, but it isn't standing still here either. Beleagured, I doubt it. Hmm, let's look at Lexus suits in Europe ... 30,000 units or so...talk about beleagured!
#23336 of 24723 Re: LG, RX 300-350 [dhamilton]
by lexusguy
Jan 29, 2007 (12:34 am)
Can't get with you on the "awful secondary controls" of the MDX. Plus, it's light years ahead in dynamics, and all around ride IMO.
Every control layout that Acura has done from the RL onward has been terrible. At least with iDrive and MMI, the control knob takes the place of most of the buttons on the dash. The MDX has the control knob and a sea of tiny identical buttons. The MDX has always handled better than the RX. It's also always been low-rent on the inside. Nothing has really changed. The FX is still for drivers, the RX is still for soccer moms, and the MDX is in the middle.
Yes the LX is an old dog. The rest of the line-up gets refreshed just as fast as everyone else. The IS came to the market after the Benz C class, and yet was replaced earlier. Same for the RX and ML. How long did the last SL sit on the market? 14 years wasn't it?
#23338 of 24723 Re: LG, RX 300-350 [lexusguy]
by houdini1
Jan 29, 2007 (5:21 am)
Yes, the LX has been around for a while but that is because it has not been challenged. It is still best in class.
#23339 of 24723 Re: Where is Lexus, thanks to CR [reality2]
by houdini1
Jan 29, 2007 (5:25 am)
Why not talk about something that is relevant on this board. That would be HELCs, not lower tier offering A3s and 4s that might or might not be being sold in 3rd world countries.
I am sure this would be of interest if you lived there but it is meaningless here. In the U.S. Lexus is King and Audi is the POS.
#23341 of 24723 Re: LG, RX 300-350 [houdini1]
by merc1
Jan 29, 2007 (5:54 am)
Yes, the LX has been around for a while but that is because it has not been challenged. It is still best in class.
You've got to be kidding. The LX was surpassed years ago by the Range Rover and recently by the new GL. The LX is an antique for those who can't be seen in a mere Toyota Land Crusier which is equally outdated.
M
#23342 of 24723 Re: Now, THIS is High End! [designman]
by merc1
Jan 29, 2007 (5:58 am)
A reporter from CNN actually got to drive it, along with Jay-Z in one his videos.
CNN test drive
M
#23343 of 24723 BMW X5 vs MDX Thread
by hpowders
Jan 29, 2007 (6:04 am)
See the new "Acura MDX vs BMW X5" thread post #35 for a second row seat comparison of these vehicles.
#23344 of 24723 Re: Now, THIS is High End! [merc1]
by designman
Jan 29, 2007 (6:38 am)
That car would require a new set of wheels and tires per day around here.