High End Luxury Cars

24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#23212 of 24697 link by dhamilton Jan 25, 2007 (10:48 am)
http://news.windingroad.com/videos/desert-dessert-we/-feast-on-audis-new-r8-in-l- - as-vegas
#23214 of 24697 Re: Report of Incredible Porsche Profitability [houdini1] by dewey Jan 25, 2007 (11:01 am)
Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 25, 2007 10:39 am) Nothing to do with being a sucker. It has everything to do with Porsche's ability to make some very desirable cars that nobody else makea. BMW and Corvette roadsters cant compete. It will be interesting to see a future review comparing an Audi R8, Acura NSX, Lexus LF-A against certain Porsche models. If it wasn't for Porsche's family control there would have been major bidding wars among automakers to takeover Porsche a long time ago. Replies to this message: tagman (Jan 25, 2007 11:12 am) dewey (Jan 25, 2007 4:08 pm) tagman (Jan 25, 2007 6:41 pm)
#23215 of 24697 Let me remind everyone by pat HOST Jan 25, 2007 (11:03 am)
that we can debate the cars and car-related topics all we want, but insulting people is not appropriate. Keep it civil, please.
#23216 of 24697 Re: Report of Incredible Porsche Profitability [dewey] by tagman Jan 25, 2007 (11:12 am)
Replying to: dewey (Jan 25, 2007 11:01 am) It has everything to do with Porsche's ability to make some very desirable cars that nobody else can make. I know this is true. I'm on my third Porsche. BTW, I received a VERY attractive price when I made my purchase. After that, I don't give a rat's --- how much Porsche makes. If they make a good healthy profit, then I know that they can afford to continue building some of the best and coolest cars on the planet. Thank you, Porsche!!!... I'm having a blast! TagMan Replies to this message: dewey (Jan 25, 2007 4:08 pm) tagman (Jan 25, 2007 6:41 pm)
#23217 of 24697 AutoWeek's review of the Audi R8 by tagman Jan 25, 2007 (11:22 am)
A phenomenal review by AutoWeek of the Audi R8 can be found here: link title TagMan Replies to this message: hpowders (Jan 25, 2007 11:35 am) houdini1 (Jan 25, 2007 11:59 am) tagman (Jan 25, 2007 3:58 pm)
#23218 of 24697 Re: Well, [dewey] by hpowders Jan 25, 2007 (11:26 am)
Replying to: dewey (Jan 25, 2007 7:55 am) Well, looks like we all have our price!
#23219 of 24697 Re: Well, [dewey] by brightness04 Jan 25, 2007 (11:27 am)
Replying to: dewey (Jan 25, 2007 3:57 am) Can we focus on the subject matter and ditch the personal insults? You obviously tried to insult me with your "pie in the sky" accusation, then my number turned out to be very sound. Now from nowhere you are accusing me of relying on Google. I knew the 1800 number without consulting google; if I did rely on google, I would have given you the 2100 number for Mainland and HK combined as that's a number much easier to find on google. Projecting from one's own experience does not always work 75% growth for specific models in China is not impressive when a car is newly introduced. From a starting base of only a couple hundred cars in 2002-3, A8 can indeed garner high double digit growth for a few years; many other models from other manufacturers did the same thing. High per centage growth is easy when the base is small. In a third world country, drivers of HELC are usually chauffers not the owners. Projecting US experience for HELC can be quite erroneous when we are talking about only a few thousand cars sold at this price level in a country of over 1 billion people. The number of HELC cars sold in China per million population is comparable to Ultra Lux like $300k Rolls and Maybach (not even the $170k Bentley) in the US. These cars are not usually bought by "hard working affluent individuals." They are usually purchased for livery/limo service or extremely wealthy individuals in personal fleets, even in the US. Overseas in countries like China, corruption is often the source of extreme wealth and power. In the case of Audi, corruption becomes all the more relevent as A8 is often a tool for bribary in order to sell A6 and A4 to publicly-funded vehicle fleets like department vehicle purchases. Replies to this message: dewey (Jan 25, 2007 3:56 pm) brightness04 (Jan 30, 2007 7:36 am)
#23220 of 24697 Re: Report of Incredible Porsche Profitability [designman] by tayl0rd Jan 25, 2007 (11:33 am)
Replying to: designman (Jan 25, 2007 10:19 am) I certainly believe it. Get this! The local Porsche dealer offered to sell me a Carrera GT for $125,000 OFF MSRP!! That was a few months before production ended. Of course, there was no possible way whatsoever that I could've bought it, but the salesman told me that they were wanting to move it out because it was costing them too much to have it in the showroom. He even told me to refer the offer if I knew anyone interested. Replies to this message: designman (Jan 26, 2007 10:27 am) tayl0rd (Jan 29, 2007 10:21 am) designman (Jan 30, 2007 5:10 am) and 3 more...
#23221 of 24697 Re: AutoWeek's review of the Audi R8 [tagman] by hpowders Jan 25, 2007 (11:35 am)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 25, 2007 11:22 am) The reviewer at 6'4" had to move the driver's seat FORWARD for comfort! Sounds like my kind of car! The headlights have that aggressive "545" look, too! In my current busy position of sitting here accruing interest and dividends, I somehow missed this article.