Edmunds.com | Inside Line | Auto Observer Your Account | Help | Directory
You are here:
![[F]](http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/townhall/webxicons/site.gif){kind=small}
Forums
Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24685 messages, Last post on Nov 02, 2009 at 4:40 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
|
|
|---|---|
|
Replying to: dewey (Jan 24, 2007 7:00 pm) Ignorance often breeds arrogance. I happen to have a decent working knowledge in this field. What a proof? Here's a link from Audi's own website: http://www.audi.ie/audi/ie/en2/about_audi_ag/news/press_releases/Audi_continues_- - to_thrive_in_China.html As you can see, in 2005, total Audi A8 import into Mainland China and Hongkong combined was 2108 units. Many executives here in North America do not view their company cars as bribes. Instead they view them as being earned. The difference is that many of the people receiving the bribe of A8 there are not company executives at factories making Audi's, but government officials or managers of government-owned enterprises who are either in a position of licensing and authorizing factory openings or in a position of buying a fleet of A6's for taxi services. That's called a bribe, regardless which country we are talking about. Granted, Audi is not a pioneer in this field. MB was known for giving S class as bribes to third world countries' officials (including those of China) for buying their buses and trucks with public funds.
|
|
|
|
|
Replying to: blkhemi (Jan 24, 2007 7:27 pm) Here's the crux of the issue: worldwide A8 sales is less than LS sales in the US alone! despite the fact that the majority of A8's sold worldwide are the lowly V6 variants that wouldn't even qualify for HELC. Think about that the next time anyone wants to brag about Audi worldwide sales volume. |
|
|
|
|
Replying to: dhamilton (Jan 24, 2007 7:32 pm) Roughly $50k US, after exchange rate. Who would be stupid enough to try to bribe someone with something that nobody wants? That is the lamest story I've ever heard in my life. Ever heard "something is better than nothing"? Even the A8 is better than some old Chinese branded jallopies that the bureacrats otherwise would have to ride. Did the insane asylums throw an in house tent sale on gate keys? Looks like it. As far as HELC models are concerned, A8 has a long way to go before getting past 7 and S, and then LS sales. In the most recent month, A8 sold an order of magnitude less than LS! What planet are these wankers living on? |
|
|
|
|
Replying to: blkhemi (Jan 24, 2007 7:49 pm) |
|
|
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 24, 2007 9:13 pm) I don't really think they were expecting to dominate the segment. Lexus usually doesn't release internal sales targets (smart move, IMO) but all things considered, the GS is doing "OK". Its beating the bloody pulp out of the RL, and holding its own against the M, A6, and STS. The GS400 was always the last place finisher against the A6 4.2, E430, and 540i. This time its managed to climb up to middle of the pack, so it's at least an improvement over last time. The GS certainly isn't the worst car Lexus sells *cough* SC430 *cough*
|
|
|
Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 25, 2007 12:54 am) The RL is a lost cause, IMO. Actually the GS400 used to beat all those cars except the 540i in most comparos back then. M
|
|
|
Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 24, 2007 10:52 pm) I was inquiring where you got that Audi info? Is that arrogance? You have working knowledge? You just googled this info and you call that working knowledge? Or is your working knowlege restricted to the field of giving A8s as bribes? And 75.1 percent growth for Mainland China A8 sales is not impressive? If that is not impressive then I dont know what is? So that must mean bribes are growing at a 75.1 percent rate?  The Audi A8 like most other HELCs are mainly driven by hard working affluent individuals in the private sector. Most HELC drivers consider their cars as earned just like they do in USA. Your proof based on a single observation of a parked and unused Audi owned by a bureaucrat is kind of silly, dont you think? |
|
|
Replying to: tagman (Jan 24, 2007 8:23 pm) 
|
|
|
Replying to: dewey (Jan 25, 2007 3:57 am) Yeah. Sure wish someone would bribe me with an A8 !
|
|
|
Replying to: hpowders (Jan 25, 2007 5:40 am) M
|
|
New? Join Now!
Forum Tools
Search Forums
Browse by Vehicle
2011 Audi A8
2010 BMW 7 Series
2008 Jaguar XJ-Series
2009 Lexus LS 460
2010 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
2006 Volkswagen Phaeton
2009 Maserati Quattroporte
2010 Mercedes-Benz CL-Class
Browse by Board
Browse by Topic
Today's Chats
