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24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 24, 2007 6:14 pm) Where on earth did you get Mainland China Audi A8 sales stats from? Or is this A8 figure of yours just a pie in the sky guess? A8s driven mainly by bureaucrats in China? Really? I myself was in China more then a few times these past few years (my wife is Chinese) and I can assure you Audis (including the A8) in China are driven by a diverse affluent group of drivers beyond just bureacrats. You claim that many A8s are given as bribes to conniving bureaucrats for running Audi factories? Interesting allegations indeed? Many executives here in North America do not view their company cars as bribes. Instead they view them as being earned.
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So some of you are up in arms of Audi's success. Who gives a hoot. The truth of the matter is that sales of a car is only fraction of why a car is in existence in the first place. While yes, the A8 sells in limited quantities here in the States, but I dare anyone to compare it's build quality and exemplary fit/finish and attention to detail to ANY car in it's class, including the ex-GM grade plastics of the LS460. As I've went back into the archives of this very thread, about every three months, the same rowdy circle of posters question or examine Audi as a company, and conversely, knows little about the company and what makes Audi's what they are. Sales? Did we post what the LX470 sales numbers are? I don't remember seeing what those embarrassing figures were over a lowly old Cadillac Escalade, which sells for, on average, $3-5k more. How's that new from the ground up ES350 doing? Not to hot. And someone mentioned the A6 is a dud. I don't remember a car that is the best selling luxury in the world a dud. That is not the United States, China, or Europe, but all of them and the 6 continents that they reside on. You can't fault Audi for offering the A4 with a 4cyl at $28k all the way up to the RS4 with the only V8 in it's class at $70k, oh and these are sold out for 3 years, along with the super-cool S8. I bet you Lexus won't attempt that pricing strategy for 20 years as that is not in agreement with their bargain-basement pricing. And now to the relevant A8. What's the only car on the road that has not been "Bangle-ized" in it's class? The A8. What other car offers std. AWD(and yes it matters to we New Yawkas, the biggest A8 area)? The A8. What car of current vintage boasts the most awards given by any publication? The A8. And the list goes on. Sales of a car does not determine how the car really is. Just like a prominent family last name doesn't determine the character of the person. Just as the value of a home does not determine it's desireability.. For it to be solely based on sales alone we wouldn't have such greats as: Maserati QP Land Rover Range Rover(shadowed by Escalade and GL) All Aston Martin Jaguar XJ and coincedently, the LX470. |
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Replying to: brightness04 (Jan 24, 2007 5:55 pm) At last check, it's only the gluttony of Americans that like expansive and large cars. Most other countries, especially tight-ridden Asia, have nothing BUT small cars, including the premium cars. So by that admission, the Yaris and Corolla are the only reason for the existance of Toyota? Your points are getting lesser in validation. As far as the Porsche takeover, it won't happen. And what does Audi being promising the US and the takeover have to do with one another? BTW: It's very well known that Porsche wants Audi, not VW, to help with platform and powertrain engineering because the Toyota engineers that toured and courted Porsches plants were deemed "insufficient".
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Blkhemi. And a lot nicer than I can be to boot. Brightness, if your going to say that the majority of A8 sales in Europe are V6 and 50k, it would be a good idea to allow for the exchange rate. But maybe that doesn't matter over here? Who would be stupid enough to try to bribe someone with something that nobody wants? That is the lamest story I've ever heard in my life. Let me get this strait. You guys are upset because Audi said that they want to come after Lexus in sales? So, you just make up stories about what you saw in anther country that's so irrelevant, you went for a visit? This is hilarious. Did the insane asylums throw an in house tent sale on gate keys?
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jan 24, 2007 7:27 pm)
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Replying to: dhamilton (Jan 24, 2007 7:32 pm) Ye of little knowledge of how the European system works. Brightness fails to realize that, if it's not 4 or 6 cylinders or the all important diesel in Europe, it ain't gonna happen, and hence the LS paltry sales, but alas, that doesn't matter seeing how the S350(420 CDI), the 735i(735iD), and the A8(both 3.6L V6 and 4.2L TDI) account for 90% of all sales for each company.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 24, 2007 7:44 pm) I am an American at last check and I along with 95% of us don't care for small portions 
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Replying to: hpowders (Jan 24, 2007 5:04 pm) The S8 is a genuine masterpiece, IMO. TagMan
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Replying to: drfill (Jan 24, 2007 4:43 pm) The A6 and GS is a wash, since neither has done much damage in the market place, or in comparisons. I've been saying this for years about the GS. It has once again fallen down in the segment it was supposed to dominate. The A6, well....there is at least the S6 to crow about. The A8 has been getting beaten rather easily by the LS in sales AND comparisons by the LS for MANY years, until this anomaly of a test, run by the once-reliable C&D. Sales yes, comparisons, not quite so easily. Motor Trend put the A8L over the LS430 in the past also. If you think a VW Rabbit is superior to a Mazda3, please put credence into this test. Has nothing to do with anything here, but I guess you're implying that C&D are off their rocker now right? Amazing what a spectacular LS460L comparo loss can do. M
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