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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 24, 2007 1:31 pm) |
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Replying to: drfill (Jan 24, 2007 7:09 am) |
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Oh, contrare, Dewey. We do share "common ground". You missed our most obvious, the greatest, love of all. That of the cherished manual tranny, which will have to pried from my cold, dead hand. Now that we have finally met. How you doin'?  Oh....and now would be a good time to sell, since I have bashed the IS350 consistently for not offering a stick. Same goes for the IS-F. Not luvin' it, with the 10th-gradeer body kit. Not exactly tasteful. DrFill
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Whew, what a bag of bluster. You wouldn’t be singing that tune if Lexus had a big footprint in Europe and you know it. And Lexus isn’t the “Football of Cars” in the US. If anything it’s the “Soap Opera of Cars.” I guess it’s back to sales and waving pom-poms. Surely you can find a better way to promote Lexus. Ah, yes, D-man. How are you?  I am fine, thanks. Looks like you have also forgotten why I'm here. I am the corporate "plant". I also go by a code name : "Master of the Obvious". Alas, Lexus doesn't need any promotional help. Audi basically put out a press release of Envy recently. I will read it whenever I need a good tickle!  DrFill |
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Bonus Nachos, Tag Hueur! Let me get this. Lexus has a tiny share of the European market, but you call them number one because of their sales in good 'ol U.S.A. Audi has small share of U.S.A. market, but their collosal sales in Europe don't mean anything to you??? The REAL truth is that Audi is a global success and is just now in the early stages of what is a gigantic ascention in this U.S. market. I'll bet you on this. If you don't think so, just wait and watch. Audi is coming on strong, Doc... very strong... like a freight train. If you don't believe me, just watch the yearly sales data as time goes by. Now you are catchin' on, mine friend. Yes, what Lexus and/or Audi does in Europe is a non-issue. Has no effect on me. Shouldn't matter to me. Oh....wait.....no...it doesn't matter to me. That's what I meant. If I wait any longer for Audi's train to get here, I'll have to buy stock in the NYMTA. Audi has had more than their fair chance, and can't fathom how Lexus has dominated the lux-market in a decade. Someday, someone will care what Audi does around here (US). Someday. But it ain't today. DrFill |
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Just getting caught up to speed with everyone. Merc1- Great pics from Motown. I got some that I need to get on here also. Maybach? Mercedes just needs to cut their loses now and forget that they even attempted this arena of automobile. MAybe if they'd put the 3-pointed star on the hood, they wouldn't have to entice prospects with $20k in free upgrades. And lastly, of course, the good Doctor comes back with a bang only to find out it's a dud. Why pick on Audi? Do you just want to own one that bad? I'm not going to argue or start a Lexus V. Audi conundrum with you, as that would be your cup of tea, but before we boast about Lexus, and it's Toyota parent, we may want to look at what the consumers are saying. Yes you North American consumers, more to the point, your USA customers as you've summurized them. The quality is fading, rapidly. And that is Toyota's only calling card. It fails, for sure the rest will. Lexus is no longer the shining star that it once was. You have a 12 year old SUV that you ask $65k for(a very GM move on this one, but even they're not that bad as the Escalade shames the LX), an SUV and sedan that are based on a Camry that are no longer the stars in their classes, and a uber-poser GT conv/coupe that is so bad that even Jim Press admitted "it's time to send it to the scrapper". Now to Audi. I don't remember Lexus being on the verge of selling 1M cars, WORLDWIDE. You do know there are 5.7 BILLION people that are outside of the United States? So they mean nothing? Oh and by the way, when China(not if) gets their way, they will be the number one market in the world by 2010/11, and what is the number one selling HELM in that country. Yes, it's true, the very second-rate, non-worthy(as you'd put it) Audi A8. So you may want to stop your "We're #1" chant ahead of time. Audi is also increasing M-O-M, Y-O-Y sales in this very country. And to boot, let's not forget that a 4 year old Audi A8 soundedly beat your brand-spankin new luxo-lounger LS460 in your BFFM(Best Friends Forever Magazine), C&D, Yes that would be the same one that you boast about all the time for the LS430 beating a MB S430. Ah, but this time it's a conspiracy, I'm sure of it. Right along with that 200ft stopping distance that's been repeated by 3 mags. I challenge you to line up Lexus' current and very near future(3 year) line-up with Audi's, only the ones for the US. Outside of the IS500(will not beat a RS4 or M3 with a prayer), the LF-A, it's still same old Lexus: We do enough, just enough. We even park your car for ya....
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"Worldwide last year, Audi outsold Lexus 905,100 to 460,000 units. Audi sold 260,000 cars in Germany while Lexus sold 25,000 vehicles in all of Europe." Joseph Szczesny 1/21/2007.
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Replying to: hpowders (Jan 24, 2007 4:25 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jan 24, 2007 4:36 pm) To me, selling twice as many cars WORLDWIDE is pretty impressive.  My man Tony should be very proud that his Audi A8 comes from a company acknowledged by THE WORLD as being one of the truly outstanding upscale vehicle manufacturers. By the way, the A8 was one of the very few vehicles at the auto show that impressed me both inside and out.
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If only to teach you a lesson. The A4 has been easily passed by the IS, in one year, so that one isn't worth mentioning. Lexus can't build enough, and doesn't have to go to $25k to sell one. The A6 and GS is a wash, since neither has done much damage in the market place, or in comparisons. The A8 has been getting beaten rather easily by the LS in sales AND comparisons by the LS for MANY years, until this anomaly of a test, run by the once-reliable C&D. If you think a VW Rabbit is superior to a Mazda3, please put credence into this test. Otherwise, rinse and repeat. May cause tearing.  And the Q7 can't be given away, as the 10-year old LX gives it a run for the money in sales. And the R8 looks like a racoon I hit on I-10 next to the LF-A. Audi is just trying to use Lexus sterling name to drum up controversy and interest in a brand that is not interesting, much less sterling, and hasn't been for decades. Audi is not a threat. It is the Jim Kelly of luxury car makers. Can get it done right up to the big game, then folds like a house of cards.  DrFill
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