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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Glad you all liked the pics!!! M |
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 23, 2007 5:46 am)
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Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 23, 2007 9:21 pm) M
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 23, 2007 9:37 pm) Exactly. Perhaps you caught my recent post citing the 9,200 units Bentley sold in 2006, of course largely due to the Continental series. I'd say the Maybach is already getting killed and the slaughter will only continue to get worse. The Maybach was never marketed properly out of the gate, IMO. Also IMO, they should have been less expensive. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 23, 2007 9:51 pm) That said both Bentley and Rolls are adding more models in the 300K range, hence my comment. The Phantom Drophead Coupe (convertible) and the Coupe version (2008) and Bentley's new Azure and Savannah coupe (late 2007) will all be in the 300-400K range. It is really going to highlight the lack of anything without 4-doors over a 'Bach. M
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 23, 2007 10:03 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 23, 2007 10:27 pm) The "Maybach" was a Mercedes when it was originally shown at the 1997 Tokyo auto show.  What happened next was a classic case of German see, German does. VW and BMW got Bentley and Rolls so Mercedes figured they'd bring a prestigous name from past back to life. So at the last minute they changed the plan from calling it "The Maybach by Mercedes" to a seperate brand. Problem is not many people outside of Germany knew what a Maybach was. Big mistake for this round of cars, though I think the 57S is the best sedan on earth from a technical/performance/luxury standpoint, it doesn't have the name like a Rolls or Bentley. Now if there is another Maybach it needs to be something totally different from a Mercedes, not an easy thing to do in this case. Rollers and Bentleys are comparitively easy to design due to their continual presence all these years. What gets me is that Mercedes didn't flintch at putting a 450K pricetag on the SLR, but didn't think the MB name could compete with Rolls and Bentley anymore. All the while putting the MB name on the A/B-Classes. Shremp's plan to put a Benz in every garage was complete insanity. M |
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On all the pics. The LF-A makes a killer screensaver!  Thanks for showin' some luv to the lighty Lexus division!  http://www.autospies.com/news/Audi-Throws-Challenge-to-Lexus-11947/ This fool should lose his job. What a tool! Audi has mastered the Minor Leagues, can't "resonate" here, and epitomizes "BMW wannabe". Audi isn't good enough to challenge Lexus at anything, so the headline is poorly written. It should read: "Lexus is beating my bottom like a drum, Waaaagghh! If Lexus is nothing, we are less than nothing, Waaaaaggh!" Or "We wish we could create an identity" Or "Someday, someone will care what we do." Or "Can Lexus lend us a commercial, for like a couple of days, so our salesmen would have to get up and do something......" Or "If our Q7 was any less successful, it would be an A8! For 2008, we'll be dropping the price another $5k. Someone will buy it!" Or "I wish the R8 came out looking like the LF-A, but we can't do anything that cool!" Or "Since the Lexus IS came out, people are like What's an A4? Who makes that? Audi? Who's that?!?"  DrFill
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Audi already outsells Lexus in other parts of the world by a significant margin. Worldwide last year, Audi outsold its Japanese rival 905,100 to 460,000 units. Audi sold 260,000 cars in Germany, while Lexus sold 25,000 vehicles in all of Europe. "Lexus is really only a U.S. brand and one predominantly focused on SUVs at that. It doesn't resonate anywhere else in the world, even in its home market, where consumer response to the market has been lukewarm," said de Nysschen, as he laid down a challenge that is certain to be debated for months to come." DrFill, your opinions are always interesting. But what makes your opinions most interesting is that they are so dead-wrong. The facts dictate that Audi is a screaming success in the global luxury segment while Lexus still has to overcome their second-rate image problem. Lexus has a lot to learn from Audi's remarkable global success. Beyond North America Lexuses are as relevant as Cadillacs are. 
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