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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Pics [dewey] by tagman
Jan 23, 2007 (2:43 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Jan 23, 2007 8:18 am)

The S Cabrio is a beaut but I hate those flashy pimp-like wheels (high end is suppose to mean classy not gaudy).
 
Those are not the 911 "S" wheels. Those are the Turbo wheels, as shown here:
 

 
The standard Carrera S wheels actually look like these:
 

 
BTW, in case you missed it months ago, that pic is a perfect representation of what my car looks like.
 
I also like the "S" wheels much better than the Turbo wheels.
 
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Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Pics [merc1] by tagman
Jan 23, 2007 (2:45 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 23, 2007 5:46 am)

You do go through a lot of unselfish effort, and it is much appreciated. Thank you for all the pics as well as your recent comments and opinions.
 
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Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Pics [tagman] by dewey
Jan 23, 2007 (5:22 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 23, 2007 2:43 pm)

Ooops,
 
my mistake Tagman.
 
I meant the MB S Class Cabrio. Those flashy wheels are so tacky IMO.
 
Your Porsche S is definitely a beaut (both the car and its wheels).
 
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. by merc1
Jan 23, 2007 (9:19 pm)
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Glad you all liked the pics!!!
 
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Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Pics [merc1] by garyh1
Jan 23, 2007 (9:21 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 23, 2007 5:46 am)

Thanks Merc for all the pics as well as the great show overview. I'm so sorry to hear you didn't like the MB Ocean Drive Concept; in pics, at least, I like it better than the current S, and I was hoping it might be MB's new design direction.
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Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Pics [garyh1] by merc1
Jan 23, 2007 (9:37 pm)
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Replying to: garyh1 (Jan 23, 2007 9:21 pm)

It might be if the response is positive enough, but it will most certainly be toned down for production. The car looked as though it was initially to be a Maybach. If Mercedes does launch such a car atop of the S-Class, it doesn't bode well for the Maybach brand. Maybach is about to be killed by Bentley and Rolls with their rapid expansion in coupes and convertibles.
 
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Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Pics [merc1] by tagman
Jan 23, 2007 (9:51 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 23, 2007 9:37 pm)

Maybach is about to be killed by Bentley and Rolls with their rapid expansion in coupes and convertibles.
 
Exactly. Perhaps you caught my recent post citing the 9,200 units Bentley sold in 2006, of course largely due to the Continental series.
 
I'd say the Maybach is already getting killed and the slaughter will only continue to get worse.
 
The Maybach was never marketed properly out of the gate, IMO. Also IMO, they should have been less expensive.
 
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Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Pics [tagman] by merc1
Jan 23, 2007 (10:03 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 23, 2007 9:51 pm)

True, but I meant mores in the really expensive 300K+ range. Maybach nor Rolls will never catch Bentley in sales when Bentley's price of entry is 170K or so compared to opening prices of over 300K for Maybach and Rolls.
 
That said both Bentley and Rolls are adding more models in the 300K range, hence my comment. The Phantom Drophead Coupe (convertible) and the Coupe version (2008) and Bentley's new Azure and Savannah coupe (late 2007) will all be in the 300-400K range. It is really going to highlight the lack of anything without 4-doors over a 'Bach.
 
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Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Pics [merc1] by lexusguy
Jan 23, 2007 (10:27 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Jan 23, 2007 10:03 pm)

I never understood why bringing Maybach back from the dead was necessary. It's one of those old brands like Pierce-Arrow or Deusenberg that means absolutely nothing to pretty much everyone in the 21st century. The M-B brand has enormous cachet. If they built a $300K Benz sedan and absolutely nailed the execution, people would buy. That's basically what the Maybachs are anyway.
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Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Pics [lexusguy] by merc1
Jan 23, 2007 (10:41 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 23, 2007 10:27 pm)

Correct!
 
The "Maybach" was a Mercedes when it was originally shown at the 1997 Tokyo auto show.
 

 
What happened next was a classic case of German see, German does. VW and BMW got Bentley and Rolls so Mercedes figured they'd bring a prestigous name from past back to life. So at the last minute they changed the plan from calling it "The Maybach by Mercedes" to a seperate brand. Problem is not many people outside of Germany knew what a Maybach was. Big mistake for this round of cars, though I think the 57S is the best sedan on earth from a technical/performance/luxury standpoint, it doesn't have the name like a Rolls or Bentley. Now if there is another Maybach it needs to be something totally different from a Mercedes, not an easy thing to do in this case. Rollers and Bentleys are comparitively easy to design due to their continual presence all these years.
 
What gets me is that Mercedes didn't flintch at putting a 450K pricetag on the SLR, but didn't think the MB name could compete with Rolls and Bentley anymore. All the while putting the MB name on the A/B-Classes. Shremp's plan to put a Benz in every garage was complete insanity.
 
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