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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#23025 of 24723 Re: Spoke to... [tagman]
by dewey
Jan 18, 2007 (7:49 pm)
It won't be all that many years after their introduction that modern diesels capture at least 9% of the entire market here, and will ultimately outsell gas/hybrids. Mercedes will sell 15% of their SUV's as modern diesel models.
Want to place a bet on this?
It's a bet! My prediction is that by 2013 non-hybrid diesels in N. America will become relics of the past as plug in hybrids become more mainstream.
#23026 of 24723 Re: Spoke to... [tagman]
by hpowders
Jan 18, 2007 (8:31 pm)
C&D gave the MDX a nice write-up in their latest issue.
Most of the reviews have been positive.
Whether I get one or not, I will drive one next year. I remember enough about the 2005 X5 drive to make a comparison.
#23027 of 24723 Re: Spoke to... [dewey]
by hpowders
Jan 18, 2007 (8:38 pm)
Absolutely! Let us know.
#23028 of 24723 Re: Spoke to... [dewey]
by hpowders
Jan 18, 2007 (8:40 pm)
I mentioned a few posts ago (#22975), that if one wants the true BMW performance and mpg, stay away from the X5 and get the 530xi wagon. Makes sense to me, if very few others out there.
#23029 of 24723 Re: Spoke to... [hpowders]
by tagman
Jan 18, 2007 (8:43 pm)
C&D gave the MDX a nice write-up in their latest issue.
Most of the reviews have been positive.
I know that our family gives our '06 a thumbs up. Personally, I do wish it had a little better styling. Otherwise not much to complain about.
TagMan
#23030 of 24723 Re: Spoke to... [dewey]
by tagman
Jan 18, 2007 (8:50 pm)
Well, let's be clear here. My point is that the diesel engines are indeed "modern". And I'm talking diesels whether they go solo or as a diesel hybrid. It's the "gas" ice that's not modern. It's ancient... goes back to the historical beginning. and that's why your beloved gas hybrid is going to have competition from both diesels and diesel hybrids, just like the ones I linked in my original post about this.
So, my bet is on the diesels representing 9% of the entire market by 2013, whether or not they are solo or married to an electric motor makes no difference to me.
TagMan
#23031 of 24723 Re: Spoke to... [tagman]
by hpowders
Jan 18, 2007 (8:55 pm)
Well the new MDX is a stylistic improvement. How could it not be? But it really doesn't stand out from the crowd.
One reviewer mentioned that when he drove it (when it first came out), nobody looked.
No "wow" factor and that front grill really should be modified a bit.
The MDX looks like a lot of other SUV's, only it performs better. Its 3rd row while still not terrific is not the joke that the X5's is. (I sat in the new MDX at the auto show).
I'm curious enough to take one for a drive next year. It really has to be pretty special for me to like it since I am not an SUV person and I am looking for only 1 vehicle.
#23032 of 24723 The return of the Porsche 928
by tagman
Jan 18, 2007 (9:02 pm)
Well, we'll have to wait until 2012 to see this, but it seems that after the 2009 or 2010 Panamera 4-door, Porsche will release it in a coupe form, possibly calling it the 928 again.
Gosh, has the Audi R8 really stirred things up or what?
TagMan
#23033 of 24723 Re: Spoke to... [hpowders]
by tagman
Jan 18, 2007 (9:03 pm)
Wow... one vehicle to do it all? I'd go crazy!
TagMan
#23034 of 24723 Re: Spoke to... [tagman]
by hpowders
Jan 18, 2007 (9:06 pm)
Well, I am the only driver and my garage has 2 golf carts and room for only one vehicle. I bet that 928 coupe would fill the bill just fine! That's what I would call the perfect antidote to the X5.