High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#22994 of 24700 Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Report! [dewey] by merc1 Jan 17, 2007 (3:18 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Jan 17, 2007 11:29 am) Unfortunately the Jaguar XF concept wasn't there for public viewing, only the press days. The Ford/Lincoln concepts didn't impress me. Its pretty hard to get worked up over their concepts when they never build them. Ford needs both of those cars, but I'd be shocked if they actually brought them to production. Yes I like the new X5. Haven't been to a dealer to check it out though so..... Yes the Toyota FT-HS was a shocker, as was the Lexus LF-A. We all know Toyota is capable of building a sports car so they need to quit wasting time with concepts and bring them to a showroom immediately. Both the Lexus and the Yota would do big business IMO. I should have have photos up later tonight or tomorrow. M Replies to this message: tagman (Jan 17, 2007 3:40 pm) lexusguy (Jan 17, 2007 3:53 pm) tagman (Jan 17, 2007 7:11 pm) merc1 (Jan 18, 2007 2:39 am) lexusguy (Jan 18, 2007 9:54 am)
#22995 of 24700 Re: The Difference... [hpowders] by tagman Jan 17, 2007 (3:33 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Jan 17, 2007 3:00 pm) Or it is programmed to give you a little slack by alerting you a little ahead of time. TagMan
#22996 of 24700 Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Report! [merc1] by tagman Jan 17, 2007 (3:40 pm)
Replying to: merc1 (Jan 17, 2007 3:18 pm) Its pretty hard to get worked up over their concepts when they never build them. Yeah, you'd think they would be smarter than that, but they have proved otherwise for too many years. Even if GM or Ford built one, they'd no doubt skimp on the necessary things to make it a true success. Remember the Fiero with it's low strangling budget? They shot themselves in the foot. Yes the Toyota FT-HS was a shocker... Indeed. I posted earlier on that. It is a car to watch out for, IMO. An instant success, if there ever was one. Toyota, apparently went against its own grain with the FJ Cruiser concept and went ahead and built it anyway, only to prove once again that it sometimes does indeed make sense to build a concept vehicle. Looking forward to your pics! TagMan Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jan 17, 2007 3:53 pm) tagman (Jan 17, 2007 7:11 pm) merc1 (Jan 18, 2007 2:39 am) lexusguy (Jan 18, 2007 9:54 am)
#22997 of 24700 Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Report! [tagman] by lexusguy Jan 17, 2007 (3:53 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 17, 2007 3:40 pm) Even if GM or Ford built one, they'd no doubt skimp on the necessary things to make it a true success. Let's not forget the Plymouth Prowler, Chevy SSR, and the briefly revived Ford Thunderbird. All duds that could've done very well if properly executed. Replies to this message: tagman (Jan 17, 2007 7:11 pm)
#22998 of 24700 Re: hpowders [hpowders] by houdini1 Jan 17, 2007 (4:04 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Jan 17, 2007 2:42 pm) I was always including myself in the old and deceitful category so we both win.
#23001 of 24700 Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Report! [lexusguy] by tagman Jan 17, 2007 (7:11 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 17, 2007 3:53 pm) All duds that could've done very well if properly executed. Exactly... "IF". TagMan
#23002 of 24700 Re: The Difference... [hpowders] by dewey Jan 17, 2007 (8:41 pm)
Replying to: hpowders (Jan 17, 2007 3:00 pm) One doesn't have to change synthetic oil every 5000 miles in the latest model BMWs. To do so is unnecessary. It may help the owner feel good, but the vehicles can go 15,000 miles between changes. I agree 100 percent with you about leasing and oil changes. If I leased a car I wouldn't waste my time with unschedule oil changes. BUT I dont agree with your above statement that unschedules oil changes are unnecessary ? It all depends on how you drive--and we all know about BMW drivers dont we? And even if the oil is fine the filter may not be fine at all. I've been told that the frequency of oil changes will affect the wear on bearings, cams and valve components. The longetivity of any car is dependent on the frequency of oil/filter changes(BMWs or non-BMWs) The BMW company line of course is different. Why? Here is an interesting POV: Prior to Free Scheduled Maintenance, you couldn’t change engine oil often enough according to most dealerships. And when the car was in the shop it would often be due for this service or that inspection, all at the owner’s expense. But once BMW began paying for scheduled maintenance, lo and behold the “schedule” was revised. Now, magically, the cars hardly need any maintenance at all! The 1,200-mile break-in service was done away with except for M cars. Engine oil suddenly lasts 15,000 miles (dealers are supposed to use BMW synthetic oil). Manual gearbox and differential oil? No worries there – now BMW says they NEVER need to be changed, it’s “lifetime fill.” Brake fluid and coolant service intervals were doubled with no change in the original BMW brake fluid and anti-freeze dealers are supposed to use. So, is Free Scheduled Maintenance all about marketing and cost reduction – BMW’s costs? Draw your own conclusions. There is no doubt that many buyers incorrectly view BMWs as “high maintenance” cars. Nothing can address that more effectively than Free Scheduled Maintenance. But the operative word in the name is “scheduled.” In my opinion, extended service intervals and “lifetime fill” came very close on the heels of Free Scheduled Maintenance. This is an alternative to BMW’s factory-recommended maintenance schedule. It is not, “Mike Miller’s maintenance schedule.” It is actually BMW’s maintenance schedule, more or less, which was used prior to Free Scheduled Maintenance. It also represents my opinion, based upon my experience and that of my readers, tech advisors, and professional BMW technicians both dealer and independent. I have prepared it because of the large number of readers asking for this information. The fact that my opinions may differ from those of others does not mean anyone is necessarily right or wrong. You will get a different answer from every person you ask about routine vehicle maintenance. LINK: OIL CHANGES Replies to this message: hpowders (Jan 18, 2007 3:51 am) dewey (Jan 18, 2007 7:16 am) houdini1 (Jan 18, 2007 4:59 am) dewey (Jan 18, 2007 7:23 am) tagman (Jan 18, 2007 7:55 am)
#23003 of 24700 Re: 2007 Detroit Autoshow Report! [tagman] by merc1 Jan 18, 2007 (2:39 am)
Replying to: tagman (Jan 17, 2007 3:40 pm) Yeah, you'd think they would be smarter than that, but they have proved otherwise for too many years. Even if GM or Ford built one, they'd no doubt skimp on the necessary things to make it a true success. Remember the Fiero with it's low strangling budget? They shot themselves in the foot. True, but I actually see more hope for GM than Chrysler and more for Chrysler than Ford. The re-beaked 500 is going to be a dismal failure like the current car a blandmobile. Toyota, apparently went against its own grain with the FJ Cruiser concept and went ahead and built it anyway, only to prove once again that it sometimes does indeed make sense to build a concept vehicle. Yeah I forgot about that one. It came to the showroom very close to concept form. I still think they're going have to tone down both of those sports car concept before production, especially the front end of the FT-HS. I really hate that I didn't get to see the Jaguar XF concept in person though. M Replies to this message: lexusguy (Jan 18, 2007 9:54 am)