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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: LG, DH, Tag and Merc [blkhemi] by lexusguy
Jan 12, 2007 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jan 12, 2007 3:51 pm)

Get the Jag. If the XF is a flop, there may not be another one.
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Re: LG, DH, Tag and Merc [blkhemi] by tagman
Jan 13, 2007 (3:30 pm)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jan 12, 2007 3:51 pm)

I think you know lg would tell you to get the Jag, afterall he has an XK himslef. And you know I have a secret love with the Jags, and always have. I'd love to see you get that Jag, I'll admit, but if it were MY money, I know for a fact that if it wasn't going to be the Porsche, I'd be purchasing the SL, as much as I love the Jag. I like the hardtop on it, and the rollbar/wind-deflector device. I like the handsome good looks, and the rock-solid iconic design. The 550 engine is the best to come along in a long time... it leaves the AMG less significant, IMO. I'm remembering my experience a few months ago. I loved the test drive so much, I almost didn't buy the Porsche. Being in the driver's seat of an SL is wonderful, no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
 
I really hate to differ with lg on this, because he is one of the most knowledgable guys on this forum, but since you are after our final opinions... I'm going to give you mine.
 
So, as I said, if it were truly my own money, I'd buy the icon... the Mercedes Benz SL550... final answer.
 
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Re: LG, DH, Tag and Merc [tagman] by lexusguy
Jan 13, 2007 (4:14 pm)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 13, 2007 3:30 pm)

I just don't think the SL is a head turning car anymore. I see them all the time, and I barely even notice them. The XKR on the other hand, everyone will turn their heads to gawk at it. I'm willing to give up the solidity of the hardtop for actual trunk space. The XKR in black with the 20" wheels looks lithe, sleek, and absolutely vicious. The SL (and this is just MO) looks almost doughy with that huge rear deck.
 


 
To me, its not even a contest. The Jag says "I eat SL550s for breakfast". All that said of course, I already bought my XK. In another 3-4 years or so I'll be trading up to the XKR. This is going to be your car, not mine, so get whichever one fits you the best.
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Re: LG, DH, Tag and Merc [lexusguy] by tagman
Jan 13, 2007 (6:58 pm)
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Replying to: lexusguy (Jan 13, 2007 4:14 pm)

lg,
 
The SL's hardtop is sleek, unlike the canvas of the Jag.
 

 
and the front end is much more distinctive. The SL is still a gorgeous headturner, there's no question about that.
 

 
To be perfectly honest with you, the real problem I have with the appearance of the Jag is the snout.
 
The Jag's snout looks like a catfish.
 
The front bumber assembly looks huge somehow and the seam between that huge bumper and the hood is too obvious for my taste. Otherwise the Jag is beautiful. Overall, I think the Jag is a beautiful car, but when it comes to spending the money, I'd put it on the SL, without a doubt.
 
It's blkhemi's purchase, as we know, and I can guarantee you that I'll support him and congratulate him no matter what he decides, that's for sure.
 
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Latest pic of the Porsche Panamera by tagman
Jan 13, 2007 (8:39 pm)
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This is the latest pic I've found of the upcoming 2009 Porsche Panamera. I've been interested in this car since it was first announced, but I cooled off considerably when some of the photos came out. Now I realize that those photos were much too early to really know what the car will be. So, my interest is re-ignited again.
 

 
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Re: LG, DH, Tag and Merc [tagman] by brightness04
Jan 14, 2007 (6:10 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 13, 2007 6:58 pm)

The front of SL looks like a C-class, a car that costs a third the price of SL.
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Re: Latest pic of the Porsche Panamera [tagman] by brightness04
Jan 14, 2007 (6:13 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 13, 2007 8:39 pm)

Neat. I always had a fondness for 928 fastback. Having 4 doors makes it even better.
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GM to be in the know again??? by blkhemi
Jan 14, 2007 (7:12 am)
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I've just gotten back from Detroit, and all I can say is if GM can't get some of the cool stuff that I saw out to market, then for sure that mass-grave that is already dug out is for them.
 
In particular, the Volt concept is probably the best iteration of all-electric type vehicles ever. It's all electric, it does require plug-in after intermittently, but has a regeneration motor to prevent outages.
 
All else, from the new Silverado to the new '08 Malibu, the Vette SS(650hp) should be witness enough that they've really started to conform to the public opinion on what they should do.
 
They are even starting to abandon the very venerable but super-old pushrod engines and 4-speed autoboxes(thankfully). They've got a new replacement for all of the pushrod V6's(the 3.6L High-Feature engine will in effect replace all car V-6's, and will be enlarged to 3.8L liters to fit the new RWD Impala with 310-hp) and V8 engines. The Northstar will be replaced with a 5.0L V8 that makes roughly 400hp, naturally.
 
But the shocker for that engine is that it will increase in bore to 6.0L to compete with, you guessed, the big bores from MB. And along with that shocker is the next gen big Caddy. It is said to go RWD/AWD and will now compete with the big boys, altho it will play value leader with the Lexus LS wil prices to start in the low $60k's. It will use the 400hp motor as the base, but will essentially be available in Sport and "V" models with 505hp and 600hp, respectively, from the all-new 6.0L "DOHC"(not OHV) V-8's.
 
Now with all of this said, will this be enough to get people to buy GM again. For sure it's all great on paper, but will there be fire with that flame, particularly with Cadillac's resurfacing upmarket again? If the way they're morphing the Corvette and the new awesome(and some think 3-Series beating) '08 CTS is any indication, they may be on to something, hopefully BIG....... I personally wish them well..
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Re: GM to be in the know again??? [blkhemi] by houdini1
Jan 14, 2007 (7:23 am)
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Replying to: blkhemi (Jan 14, 2007 7:12 am)

It may be just my imagination but to me it appears that GM may just have a chance to pull something like this off.
 
Why? I think the Japanese have become fat and happy and are taking the U.S. market for granted now just like G.M. did in the past. They don't send their best cars here and we have to settle for what they send. For the last few years their reliability seems to be going downhill and the cars themselves have become cookie cutter images of each other and somewhat uninspiring, at least to me.
 
Some of the newer G.M. vehicles actually look better to me than their Japanese counterparts. The latest model Accord and Camry are just plain ugly to me whereas the Pontiac G6 and the Chevy Impala look pretty good. Who knows, maybe we are in for a real revolution. A little competition never hurts.
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Re: LG, DH, Tag and Merc [tagman] by lexusguy
Jan 14, 2007 (7:37 am)
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Replying to: tagman (Jan 13, 2007 6:58 pm)

The Jag is easily one of the best looking cars with the soft-top up. I know that's faint praise, but they really did do it very well, and from the rear 3\4 with the top down its stunning.
 



 
The Mercedes, not so much. That top has to go somewhere.
 

 
Please remind me again about the SL's "distinctive" front end? I know one of these is an SL, and cost twice as much as the other...
 


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