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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#22752 of 24726 Re: Dewey!!!! [blkhemi]
Jan 04, 2007 (7:29 pm)
I'll hold you to those statements my friend.
I am sure the specs of the new RS4 will be far more impressive than the current RS4. But specs dont mean much when the weight of the new AWD RS4 bogs it down. Edmunds has shown that even a BMW 335i can almost tie the current RS4 in 0 to 60 performance:
We almost beat the all-powerful 2007 Audi RS4, too. Despite a 120-horsepower advantage and all-wheel-drive launch superiority, it just nicked our 335i's 0-60 and quarter-mile times by a paltry 0.1 second each.
If the modest and humble 335i can accomplish the above I can assure a 400HP BMW M3 will make toast out of a 480hp RS4. Price-wise there is no way BMW is going to raise M3 prices so steeply. That would definitely turn-off many potential customers and the marketing wizards at BMW know that.
So why dont we make a gentleman's bet in order to prevent the risk of either of us having to munch a brochure.
#22753 of 24726 Re: Merc [merc1]
Jan 04, 2007 (7:39 pm)
You don't win the other bet, at least not yet. For a brochure to be printed that means the car is in the production in a showroom for sale. Not yet!
I just hope it wont be a glossy brochure with very hard edges
#22754 of 24726 Re: Merc [lexusguy]
Jan 04, 2007 (7:42 pm)
wouldn't be so sure about that. BMW's performance car track record lately has been very hit-and-miss, while Audi is knocking them out of the park.
BMW's performance car track record has never been perfect and it wont be in the future. But what I do know is that the new M3 will have to be substantially better than the BMW 335i and that is going to make it a benchmark performer.
#22755 of 24726 Re: Merc [tagman]
Jan 04, 2007 (7:45 pm)
no sport sedan no matter how small and nimble and fast can compete with your new Porsche.
#22756 of 24726 A cancelled LS order
Jan 04, 2007 (7:48 pm)
DEARBORN, Mich. (AP) - Ford CEO Alan Mulally said he respects Toyota and its luxury brand, but that he canceled his order for a Lexus LS......
#22757 of 24726 Re: BRIGHTNESS [hpowders]
Jan 04, 2007 (7:50 pm)
If depreciation be the food of leasing, deal on; Give me excess of it!
Hey, Powders, hope you're doing well... Now I would think you would hate depreciation, as the more of it there is, the more your monthly lease payment has to increase to make up for it.
#22758 of 24726 A Range Rover Anyone
Jan 04, 2007 (7:54 pm)
AUTOMOTIVE FREAK SHOW EXHIBIT A
Anyone here interested in buying this beautiful stretch version of a Range Rover from the Sultan of Brunei?
The Sultan himself will include a complimentary coffin in the sale price.
#22759 of 24726 Re: BRIGHTNESS [tagman]
Jan 04, 2007 (8:00 pm)
Well, I had a pretty decent year with appreciating assets so that a little extra depreciation wouldn't hurt.
I say, bring it on!
Bummer about the diesel situation. Can you imagine traveling 40 miles round-trip for re-fueling? Of course, where I used to live in Long Beach, Long Island, there is ULSD within walking distance!
Hope your injury has completely healed.
#22760 of 24726 Ultimate Poseur Machine
Jan 04, 2007 (8:03 pm)
AUTOMOTIVE FREAKSHOW EXHIBIT B
Is anyone here interested in buying the 95 Miata below. Yup that's right it is a Miata but disquised as a BMW Z3. Talk about an Ultimate Poseur Machine.
In fact if you are interested it is too late
Ebay bidding has already ended.
#22761 of 24726 REAL costs to drive [hpowders]
Jan 04, 2007 (8:08 pm)
I'm still dealing with the injury, thanks for asking. Lots of freakin doctors coming up this month... starting tomorrow afternoon.
Lots of wild talk here on the forum about costs to drive, etc. Here is a link to some useful very recent statistics that illuminate the true costs to drive. Six pages of valuable data...
Costs to Drive, 2006
BTW, don't give up on the diesel situation too early. The U.S. market is going to explode with diesel in the next few years.