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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#22640 of 24726 Re: The X6 Edmunds HELC Forum Consensus [lexusguy]
Dec 30, 2006 (8:16 am)
Cars are getting bigger as usual. The outgoing RX is 14 cu.ft bigger than the new X3. Even the new RAV4 is a couple cu.ft bigger than the new X3. Benchmarking against old models from competitor is a sure way to lose.
Seriously though, I don't think you can make a case for the auto mags being pro-BMW. Many of them have been choosing the Infiniti M over the 5 Series ad nauseum for about a year now.
Rags want to promote competition, so they have something to write about down the road. They have a tendency to promote the smaller companies or companies with smaller overall sales. It happens again and again: Audi was practically revived out of the ashes by the mags in the early-1990's; BMW as the cheap man's alternative to MB in the 1980's; Accord as the alternative to domestics and Toyota in the 1980's; Mitsubishi SUV winning comparo just when the company was about to die, etc. etc.. They do not like the overall sales leader, for a good reason, I might add. No one wants to deal with monopsony when selling ad space.
#22641 of 24726 Re: The Pre-Production Question [brightness04]
Dec 30, 2006 (8:21 am)
So how come the BMW came in first in the comparo?
According to you it should have come in last or at the very least declared to be an unsafe vehicle.
Dec 30, 2006 (8:24 am)
Well I'm here to do my due diligence as an Audi fan and brag about the S6's victory over the M5, and E63AMG.
I wonder what all the rear wheel drive fanatics are saying about the Audi being only a tenth of a second off the lap time of the M5. Or the fact that on the shorter figure 8 track, "the Audi beat it handily".
Merc, I thought at one point you were saying that the S6 should be cheaper than the the bimmer, and Benz because it got out performed? Maybe I got that wrong.
Anyway, Viva la Audi.
#22643 of 24726 Re: The Pre-Production Question [hpowders]
Dec 30, 2006 (8:27 am)
So how come the BMW came in first in the comparo?
Editorial Bias writ large.
The malfunctioning car should have been disqualified, at the least. Since braking distance is a function of road surface condition and ambient temperature (and wind condition), using braking distance from a different test using a different car is travesty. If they want to insist on keeping the car in the comparo, it should have received "0" points for the braking test because it did not successfully execute the test. Interesting to note that they did not try the test again with the car either, probably no one dared
#22644 of 24726 Re: The X6 Edmunds HELC Forum Consensus [dewey]
Dec 30, 2006 (8:44 am)
Rather ironic comment in the HELC forum. What is a HELC if it is not over-priced, fuel-inefficent and gizmo-ridden? Aside from Lexus which is able to boast reliability over all other brands (HELC and non-HELC), none of the other HELC brands and models have a leg to stand on in terms of best whatever trait, besides status and gizmo. One simply do not buy HELC for performance; smaller cars perform much better.
#22645 of 24726 Re: The Pre-Production Question [brightness04]
Dec 30, 2006 (10:01 am)
"Editorial bias writ large."
What bias? Whenever BMW goes up against the Infiniti M, C&D picks the Infiniti.
You see what you want to see. No point in discussing this with you any further.
#22646 of 24726 Re: The Pre-Production Question [hpowders]
Dec 30, 2006 (12:19 pm)
I guess you would like some salt and pepper with those words? One of the better crawfish jobs I have seen. Heh, heh!!
Seriously, be very careful if you get into an emergency braking situation. This exact same thing happened to my FIL back around 1960 in a Corvair Monza. He was lucky to escape. Those Bimmers are somewhat unstable to begin with and if there is any kind of malfunction you could become a danger to yourself and others!
#22647 of 24726 Re: Motor trend [dhamilton]
Dec 30, 2006 (1:04 pm)
If the S6 is that good now, just imagine what will happen when the engine is finally pushed behind the front axle in the next version. That should keep the AMG and M guys up at night.
#22648 of 24726 Re: BMW lease offers [brightness04]
Dec 30, 2006 (1:12 pm)
This is a very helpful post. Thank you.
I actually drive cars in excess of 138K miles, but share your opinion that the last mile isn't nearly so enjoyable as the first one.
#22649 of 24726 Re: The X6 Edmunds HELC Forum Consensus [dewey]
Dec 30, 2006 (1:23 pm)
Excellent! We're 9 items into the list.
Might I add SUV's for people who don't drive on dirt roads weekly or pull trailers, nav systems at $2K for people who could buy a stand-alone for 15% of the cost, among others.
However, it all keeps the economy humming. What's not to like?