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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: hpowders (Dec 25, 2006 4:55 am) Yes, Car and Driver, the home of more LS400 and LS430 wins than anywhere else is now clueless, biased and most of all part of some conspiracy theory to dump on Lexus. Gee, the SL550 won a comparo, the S550 won a comparo, and in the Feb issue the E63 AMG beat the M5 and S6. Mercedes-Benz, uh...DCX must being paying the editors the most now because these cars can't possibly be the best in their respective classes, especially the SL. The LS430 was better than the LS460L so the LS460L should have creamed the competition. This would apply to the BMW, Jaguar and Audi, not a brand new Mercedes-Benz S-Class. Can't get an explanation for that or an acknowledgement that maybe, just maybe the S-Class moved the game on. This is the most classic case you'll ever see of living by the sword and dying by the sword. How can same magazine from brilliant to idiotic so fast? Did they change editors? I don't get it. That said, I'm sure there will be a comparo by someone that will put the LS460L on top at some point. Maybe based on a lower priced model with the sportiest suspension setup. Oh and a production model, not a pre-production model. Remember Car and Driver is being accused of trying to hide this little fact because they didn't use as much ink to tell the readers about it as they did in informing the readers that the A8 was a 2006 model. This is such nonsense it isn't even funny. M |
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Replying to: hpowders (Dec 25, 2006 12:21 pm) They would have to be insane if it wasn't. Bingo! Yet there is utter silence when you point out that nearly every other time a LS won a comparo it was a pre-production model. How else does a magazine get a hold of a car months in advance in order to time the story with the car's actual release for sale? You mean to tell me Lexus didn't check this LS460L out for defects before handing it over? If you notice through out the history of C&D comparos this type of comparo comes up right around the time a new LS is released. The real kicker is that if this pre-production LS460L had won the comparo we'd be hearing about how superior Lexus is. Supplying a pre-production car that wiped the matt with the competition. M
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Replying to: merc1 (Dec 25, 2006 9:58 pm) Personally, I don't really get what the big deal is. The guys in charge of the latest C&D HELC comparo were clearly looking for something that the LS460 does not possess, and because of that it lost. They didn't say it was a terrible car. If you are looking for driving excitement, look elsewhere. That sums up the LS400, the LS430, the LS460, and I have to assume that it will sum up the 2013 LS500. The LS460 is better than the car it replaces. If you love the LS (to the extent that you can love a car like the LS, anyway), that should really be enough, shouldn't it? Its C&D, not The Bible. Those stopping distances are a little worrying, but I don't recall seeing 200+ foot distances anywhere else, so that could have something to do with C&D's particular testing. I could be wrong about that.
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Replying to: lexusguy (Dec 25, 2006 11:11 pm) I think the pre-production status is what caused the long braking distances. Mind you all of this is for those who used to boast about how the LS400 and LS430 whipped the competition oh so many times in years past, not you. Some say C&D was looking for the sportiest car. That isn't true either otherwise the BMW or Audi would have won. They picked the car that was the best all arounder, IMO. We all know the Audi and BMW can be driven like sports cars, but the lack that ride that a lot of luxury car buyers like, especially the A8 (according to some magazines) The S is able to deliver that "ride" with better handling than the LS and that is what puts it over. Truth be told I actually like this LS more than even the 1993-1994 LS400 (my previous favorite LS). I like the interior shots making their rounds in all the mag advertisments and the car does indeed set a new standard for Lexus styling out on the road. I rode next to a white LS460L the other day, dare I say it was actually good looking for a Lexus. The pipes coming through the rear bumper is nice touch, but I take it Lexus has tested this to make sure they don't melt anything. Actually it was a LS460L, a Bentley Continental Flying Brick, a CLS550, S500, 3-Series, and me (CLK430) all sitting in 2 lanes waiting at a light. I live the wrong area. M
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Replying to: merc1 (Dec 25, 2006 11:34 pm) Again, I appreciate your honest attempt to be fair. This is in stark contrast to some others (will not name names but you can well guess) on this board.
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Replying to: merc1 (Dec 25, 2006 9:55 pm) No. It is more convenient for some to resort to name-calling as one recently did, calling me a "troll." When you don't like what you hear or don't have the intellectual capacity to respond, resort to name-calling. Nice. Folks, if you have nothing to debate, please ignore my posts. I consider myself way too  to get involved in stuff like that.
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Replying to: cyclone4 (Dec 26, 2006 4:55 am) What difference does it make? Auto manufacturers send pre-production models for testing all the time. How else would the auto mags get their reviews off in a timely manner? Do you think the LS that won a previous C&D comparo wasn't a pre-production model? I didn't hear anyone at that time asking if it was a pre-production model that won. Do you think a manufacturer in its right mind would send a pre-production vehicle for testing that was significantly different in driveability than the production model? Face the truth. Let go of the state of denial. The new LS came in a dismal last in the comparo. If the average "Joe Blow" doesn't care about spending a fortune for mediocre brakes and steering, then that's his problem. The rest of us will continue to buy or lease MB, Audi and BMW. Also stop with the insinuations. You want to discuss cars, then do so. Please leave out that you will "not name names." This is a place to discuss cars. It is not the Spanish Inquisition.
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Replying to: merc1 (Dec 25, 2006 9:45 pm) I certainly know WHEN an airbag should go off and when a $200K+ car is totalled in a front end collision the airbag should deploy. That is my opinion and I think it is very reasonable. Your attempted brow beating won't change it. Now get over it.
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Replying to: hpowders (Dec 26, 2006 5:26 am) BTW, no I don't believe that the other vehicles tested were pre-production models. The S550 for example has been out for a long time. The LS460L testing was done on August 29. The official release of the LS was about 2 months later. I don't think that Lexus was overly concerned that it was a pre-production model. They knew that this car would be a huge hit no matter what the reviews said.
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