Last post on Jan 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#22500 of 24726 The Pre-Production Question
Dec 25, 2006 (12:21 pm)
It really is a simple question:
Would Lexus have released a pre-production LS 460 vehicle to C&D for testing unless it was reasonably sure it was an accurate representation of the actual production vehicle?
They would have to be insane if it wasn't.
What about the other reviewers who had issues with the brakes and steering? So there is only one 2007 LS going around for reviewing and it happens to be a pre-production vehicle which means it must be a Lexus in name only?
#22501 of 24726 Re: The Pre-Production Question [hpowders]
Dec 25, 2006 (2:24 pm)
Powders, please take a break from trolling. No one is biting. It's Christmas!
#22502 of 24726 Re: The Pre-Production Question [houdini1]
Dec 25, 2006 (4:21 pm)
Instead of lowering yourself by classlessly calling me a name, why don't you answer the question I posed?
Would Lexus send a pre-production vehicle for C&D to test that would be significantly different in driveability than the production model?
Also why would anybody pay more for an LS 460 when it has not been shown to be an improvement over the LS 430? Given the former's braking and steering (from the auto press reviews), the LS 460 appears to actually be a step backward.
#22503 of 24726 Re: Ultralow-sulfur diesel prices [houdini1]
Dec 25, 2006 (5:23 pm)
Lexusguy is correct, the popularity of diesel in Europe has alot to do with tax incentives.
#22504 of 24726 Re: Mercedes-Benz CLR 600 Concept [lexusguy]
Dec 25, 2006 (7:07 pm)
Eh,, that Benz looks more like an emulation of a 1973 Canadaian classic called the Bricklin.
#22505 of 24726 Re: Ultralow-sulfur diesel prices [lexusguy]
Dec 25, 2006 (7:19 pm)
Yes, many European countries tax diesel less than gas which is in effect a subsidy, but as I understand it diesel is easier/cheaper to refine in the first place, so it's a complicated question.
One of the reasons it's more expensive in the winter here in the US is because diesel is almost identical to home heating oil, which is in greater demand in the winter.
#22506 of 24726 Re: Ultralow-sulfur diesel prices [syswei]
Dec 25, 2006 (7:25 pm)
Even running 87 octane at that rate has the diesel about $7 ahead. That adds up quickly over a few years of ownership.
That last line is a joke. Based on the author's figures saving $7 every 740 miles translates into saving $700 for the first 74,000 miles of driving. Whoopy Dooo! Is this what the author calls quick savings
Higher relative diesel prices in North America versus Europe is not only due to subsidies but also due to diesel refiniing capacity being more constrained on our side of the ocean.
My three favorite cars during 2006 is the MB 320 Blutec, Lexus GS450H and the BMW 335i twinturbo. All three are my favorites because of the novelty of their engines. Unfortunately diesel prices IMO diminishes the importance of the Blutec Benz in North America. And unfortunately the trunk space of the GS450H diminishes its importance as a serious mid size luxury sedan.
#22507 of 24726 Re: hpowers [esf]
Dec 25, 2006 (7:32 pm)
IMO the twin turbo engine itself is worth the price tag of a BMW 335i. On top of the engine you get fantastic handling and an interior that is vastly improved when compared to older BMW models.
#22508 of 24726 Re: Mercedes-Benz CLR 600 Concept [dewey]
Dec 25, 2006 (8:16 pm)
Actually that Benz concept came first, in the late '60s. It was called the C111, and had a rear-mounted Wankel rotary engine. A real oddball to say the least.
#22509 of 24726 Re: The Deal of the Century! [houdini1]
Dec 25, 2006 (9:45 pm)
Even you should know how silly it is to conclude that the Maybach had a "misfire" and you don't know squat about the accident itself.
Yes I've seen cars get ripped like that and their airbags didn't go off with the passengers standing at the side of the road.
Cars are concieved and manufactured by people. They are mechanical marvels with thousands of parts. They are not perfect and sometimes there is a defect. The concept should not be that hard to grasp.
Likewise if you don't know what makes an airbag fire in the first place (your words, not mine) then I guess that you haven't a clue about this shouldn't be too hard for me to grasp either.
What I also grasp is that the only reason we're having this conversation is because it was a Mercedes-Benz product involved. Period. If it was a Lexus we'd hear about about how strong the body was and how it absorbed the energy from the impact and that is why the airbags didn't fire.
Again, if you don't know what makes an airbag fire how in the world do you know it should have fired here?