High End Luxury Cars

24685 messages, Last post on Nov 02, 2009 at 4:40 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#22344 of 24685 Len and Gary by dewey Dec 18, 2006 (7:36 am)
My two posts yesterday may have had a tinge of abrasiveness and sarcasm. So pardon me and let us immediately focus on the cars again. 1) Len I neither agree or disagree with your views about how lease deals make financial sense. That all depends on the lease deal itself. Some of the lease deals I saw makes more financial sense for the dealer than the buyer. I dont lease because I was never offered a tempting subsidized lease deal on a car that I really wanted to buy. Also I have no plans of selling my cars until passneger capacity falls behind the growth of my kids (which may happen sooner than I think). 2) But when you have anecdotal evidence that is so one-sided, unless there is some reason to believe Len's dealer is an outlier (say it was in Dubai), it becomes the best available indication of reality, and can't be ignored. Anecdotal evidence that is one-sided may not be true at all. Unfortaunately these lease/buy arguments that recur in this forum like clockwork can never be substantiated. You can beat me in an argument when you say Lexus LS beats the BMW 7 series in terms of reliability. In that case you have various surveys(CR, JD, Strategic Vision) that will back up your argument. In fact we are better off arguing about astrology and driving habits since there have been extensive surveys done on that matter. But unfortunately anecdotal lease/buy evidence is just not going to cut it here.
#22345 of 24685 Re: Aw shucks, nobody wants to talk astrology and accidents? [designman] by dewey Dec 18, 2006 (7:44 am)
Replying to: designman (Dec 17, 2006 4:58 pm) Designman, A Taurus does not belong in this forum. A Lincoln maybe, but certainly not a Taurus. No I am not a fish. I am a Gemini. The worst driver according to the SunCorp Metway survey and one of the best drivers according to the InsuranceHotLine study.(it's really tough when you are twins).
#22346 of 24685 The Review LS SAGA continues! by dewey Dec 18, 2006 (8:47 am)
SOURCE: MONTREAL GAZETTE 1) The quote about the LS below is a quote that has been repeated like a mantra among auto reviewers over and over and over again. The LS hit 60 miles (100km) in 7.3 second. Not impressive at all! Where the LS 460L loses points is that it is less a driver's car and more a conveyance that transports its occupants in a sybaritic (i.e. the shiatsu massage seat) capsule as quiet and isolating as a tomb. Sure, the 380 horsepower, 4.6-litre V8 will get going when the throttle is mashed (zero to 100 kilometres per hour in 7.3 seconds), but that somehow seems declasse. The Lexus is the perfect car for chauffeuring rulers of countries or rich captains of industry. Price as tested: $122,700. And below is a quote about the MB S Class that has been repeated among auto reviewers like a mantra over and over again: 2)The S550 has the best combination of styling, power and class of the trio. It won't match the S8 on a race circuit, but the Merc is no slacker. A 382 horsepower, 5.4-litre V8 propels the S550 - the longest and heaviest of the three - from zero to 100 km/h in the same time as the Audi S8, although it's 0.6 seconds slower when accelerating to 120 km/h from 80 km/h. And its 4Matic system is a match for Audi's quattro. Where the S550 pulls away, especially from the S8, is in quality. The Mercedes personifies the purest form of luxury of the trio; it is solid and substantial, and effortless in everything it does. Exterior-wise, the S550 is as conservative as a Savile Row suit, albeit with stylish touches the equivalent of a bright red rose pinned to the lapel. Inside, the cabin is impressive, laid out in black leather and dark walnut burl, set off by chrome switches and controls that are all clearly marked and laid out - after one takes a few seconds to acclimatize - in a logical manner. Full of features but without the gimmicks, the S550 is the perfect conveyance for those who are comfortable with their wealth. Replies to this message: 2001gs430 (Dec 18, 2006 10:02 am) cyclone4 (Dec 18, 2006 10:37 am)
#22347 of 24685 Re: Aw shucks, nobody wants to talk astrology and accidents? [designman] by 2001gs430 Dec 18, 2006 (9:49 am)
Replying to: designman (Dec 17, 2006 4:58 pm) Designman, you did not post you own sign, so I am guessing you're a Capricorn. This is Cap's today overview Quickie: You are moving at an unconsciously high speed. Are you leaving people behind? Overview: It's a good time to poke your head outside again. A fortuitous influence is now in your celestial sector, and it's time for you to live it up. It's a welcome change of pace, so get out there and enjoy it. The speed thing must refers to your Porsche.
#22348 of 24685 Re: The Review LS SAGA continues! [dewey] by 2001gs430 Dec 18, 2006 (10:02 am)
Replying to: dewey (Dec 18, 2006 8:47 am) The Lexus is the perfect car for chauffeuring rulers of countries or rich captains of industry. Price as tested: $122,700. TMC has been kind enough to give me a 20K discount on any of their vehicles sold in NA in form of TM stock appreciation this year. I hope the share will continues its run up so I could get a bigger discount
#22349 of 24685 Re: The Review LS SAGA continues! [dewey] by cyclone4 Dec 18, 2006 (10:37 am)
Replying to: dewey (Dec 18, 2006 8:47 am) Sorry, but I don't think there is any way in hell, the LS460L is that slow from zero to 60. Are they trying to say that the LS460L is 1.4 seconds slower than the LS430 from zero to 60? That's impossible. They must have been towing a horse trailer while testing . I am sure that if tested properly, the full production model is very close to its advertised rating of about 5.4 seconds from zero to 60.
#22353 of 24685 Re: Aw shucks, nobody wants to talk astrology and accidents? [designman] by hpowders Dec 18, 2006 (1:11 pm)
Replying to: designman (Dec 17, 2006 4:58 pm) Nice try, but I happen to be an Aries, even though I realize I am quite full of Taurus from time to time....although I am happy to be classified by you in the company of nvbanker, oac and blkislandguy. Fine posters; those three. That was a pretty comprehensive list! But who's counting?