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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 17, 2006 9:21 am) Not arguing anything Dewey and I asked without any survey in mind thank you. You take this stuff way too seriously. If you think most of the buying public buys or that even 40-50% buy them then God bless and go on thinking that. I hardly think so and I don't know anyone who HASN'T leased one of these cars everytime they face a decision. The whole business model is set up for lease and most of the people are smart enough in business to see that and take advantage of it. There comes a time when you accept what makes sense. I'm only talking the S, LS and that group but my instinct is that most lux cars are leased not bought for many of the same reasons. These are also leases with the option to buy and you can buy out anytime you want. To me you're a prisoner if you buy not the other way around. So what was the purpose of your sarcasm anyway. It was uncalled for. Yikes, I can't imagine how you'll respond if I ever have the temerity to say I disagree with you about something. Gary - you can see why my posts will be very rare around here. The tone and sarcasm is ridiculous. I don't have much desire to stay with it. Tag - I know you want some balance but I think based on the tones seen today you're don't have much supporta on this.
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Replying to: ljflx (Dec 17, 2006 2:21 pm) I don't think you're being fair to most of the people on this forum, because imho, when you were a regular here, your tone and civility level might not have been bottom of the heap, but they weren't top of the heap either. That's the way I remember it, and I wasn't even on the receiving end, generally. If you disagree, you're welcome to rejoin us permanently and show us all just how wrong I am.
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Replying to: ljflx (Dec 17, 2006 2:21 pm) I have to say that I think the lease/purchase equation is different when dealing with a Lexus than when dealing with a Benz. I paid cash for my LS for 3 reasons: (1) I could negotiate a 11% discount off of MSRP, (2) there were no heavily subsidized lease deals at the time (it was not in December), and (3) my intention was to keep the car until maintenance costs got too high, which I assumed would be a long time. None of those 3 factors applied to the S430 I was also considering at the time; on that car, your analysis was exactly the way it looked to me. Dewey, if you look at my first post, you'll see that I said the argument that had some credence was that there was no "scientific" evidence anyone had presented here on lease rates. But when you have anecdotal evidence that is so one-sided, unless there is some reason to believe Len's dealer is an outlier (say it was in Dubai), it becomes the best available indication of reality, and can't be ignored. I can't prove the sun will come up tomorrow either..... |
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OK, by my calculations, these are the signs of some of our posters (in alphabetical order). PLEASE pardon me if I left anyone out. Hey, we are in the heart of the holidays and we must be moved by the spirit of the season. No acrimony! Loosen up! Happy Holidays to all of you, your families, your friends, your loved ones! 2001gs430 – Capricorn AnthonyP – Gemini Autoedu - Taurus Blckislandguy - Leo Blkhemi – Gemini Brightness04 – Aries Cdpinhead – Gemini Cyclone4 – Aquarius Dewey – Pisces Dhamilton – Gemini Drfill – Pisces Esf – Aquarius Garyh1 – Libra Houdini1 – Cancer Hpowders – Leo KarenS – Sagittarius Kirstie_h – Aquarius Laurasdada – Aries Lexusguy – Virgo Ljflx – Capricorn Merc1 – Taurus Nvbanker – Leo Oac – Leo Pat – Libra Pearl - Capricorn Reality2 – Scorpio Syswei – Sagittarius Tagman – Libra 
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Replying to: designman (Dec 17, 2006 4:58 pm) |
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Replying to: garyh1 (Dec 17, 2006 1:08 pm) Nope you're correct, the Jaguar is the same as before, they just used a longer, more powerful version. That was my point exactly. We agree. But that doesn't take away from the S coming out on top.   M |
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Replying to: designman (Dec 17, 2006 4:58 pm)
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Replying to: designman (Dec 17, 2006 4:58 pm) Either you're really good, pretty lucky, or have access to LLSOC. |
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Replying to: designman (Dec 17, 2006 4:58 pm) |
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My two posts yesterday may have had a tinge of abrasiveness and sarcasm. So pardon me and let us immediately focus on the cars again. 1) Len I neither agree or disagree with your views about how lease deals make financial sense. That all depends on the lease deal itself. Some of the lease deals I saw makes more financial sense for the dealer than the buyer. I dont lease because I was never offered a tempting subsidized lease deal on a car that I really wanted to buy. Also I have no plans of selling my cars until passneger capacity falls behind the growth of my kids (which may happen sooner than I think). 2) But when you have anecdotal evidence that is so one-sided, unless there is some reason to believe Len's dealer is an outlier (say it was in Dubai), it becomes the best available indication of reality, and can't be ignored. Anecdotal evidence that is one-sided may not be true at all. Unfortaunately these lease/buy arguments that recur in this forum like clockwork can never be substantiated. You can beat me in an argument when you say Lexus LS beats the BMW 7 series in terms of reliability. In that case you have various surveys(CR, JD, Strategic Vision) that will back up your argument. In fact we are better off arguing about astrology and driving habits since there have been extensive surveys done on that matter. But unfortunately anecdotal lease/buy evidence is just not going to cut it here. |
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