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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#22334 of 24726 Re: I'm caught up again! [merc1]
Dec 17, 2006 (1:08 pm)
This about the LS430 beating the LS460 is pure nonsense. The LS430 was compared to a different Jaguar and a different Mercedes, why can't you allow that at least 2 of the cars in that comparo have moved the game on, especially a brand new S-Class?
Hey, I agree that the S is winning the "Battle of the Comps". But I think the S and the LS are the only totally new models since the December 2003 C&D comp. I don't believe there is a totally new Jaguar since then - am I wrong on that? The car previously tested was the Mark 3, which had hit the showrooms in the Fall of 2002. Yes, they tested the Super 8 version this time, so perhaps that made the difference?
I'll give you that a new LS being placed behind cars that it beat previously is something to wonder about, sure, but not with a new Mercedes.
That was my point exactly. We agree. But that doesn't take away from the S coming out on top. Still, it is a shame that they didn't test the LS with the Touring Package, and then gave it demerits for the small trunk that only comes into play if you fill up the back seat with features that no other competitor has.
#22335 of 24726 Re: I'm caught up again! [dewey]
Dec 17, 2006 (2:21 pm)
"So is your survey above comprehensive enough to make a conclusion about the LS/S lease vs. buy topic? No it is not! Your argument is quite meaningless without a larger number of dealers being surveyed."
Not arguing anything Dewey and I asked without any survey in mind thank you. You take this stuff way too seriously. If you think most of the buying public buys or that even 40-50% buy them then God bless and go on thinking that. I hardly think so and I don't know anyone who HASN'T leased one of these cars everytime they face a decision. The whole business model is set up for lease and most of the people are smart enough in business to see that and take advantage of it. There comes a time when you accept what makes sense. I'm only talking the S, LS and that group but my instinct is that most lux cars are leased not bought for many of the same reasons. These are also leases with the option to buy and you can buy out anytime you want. To me you're a prisoner if you buy not the other way around.
So what was the purpose of your sarcasm anyway. It was uncalled for.
Yikes, I can't imagine how you'll respond if I ever have the temerity to say I disagree with you about something.
Gary - you can see why my posts will be very rare around here. The tone and sarcasm is ridiculous. I don't have much desire to stay with it.
Tag - I know you want some balance but I think based on the tones seen today you're don't have much supporta on this.
#22336 of 24726 Re: I'm caught up again! [ljflx]
Dec 17, 2006 (3:29 pm)
you can see why my posts will be very rare around here. The tone and sarcasm is ridiculous
I don't think you're being fair to most of the people on this forum, because imho, when you were a regular here, your tone and civility level might not have been bottom of the heap, but they weren't top of the heap either. That's the way I remember it, and I wasn't even on the receiving end, generally. If you disagree, you're welcome to rejoin us permanently and show us all just how wrong I am.
#22337 of 24726 Re: I'm caught up again! [ljflx]
Dec 17, 2006 (3:31 pm)
I hear you Len, but all I can suggest is to take the good with the bad, and roll with it.
I have to say that I think the lease/purchase equation is different when dealing with a Lexus than when dealing with a Benz. I paid cash for my LS for 3 reasons: (1) I could negotiate a 11% discount off of MSRP, (2) there were no heavily subsidized lease deals at the time (it was not in December), and (3) my intention was to keep the car until maintenance costs got too high, which I assumed would be a long time. None of those 3 factors applied to the S430 I was also considering at the time; on that car, your analysis was exactly the way it looked to me.
Dewey, if you look at my first post, you'll see that I said the argument that had some credence was that there was no "scientific" evidence anyone had presented here on lease rates. But when you have anecdotal evidence that is so one-sided, unless there is some reason to believe Len's dealer is an outlier (say it was in Dubai), it becomes the best available indication of reality, and can't be ignored.
I can't prove the sun will come up tomorrow either.....
#22338 of 24726 Aw shucks, nobody wants to talk astrology and accidents?
Dec 17, 2006 (4:58 pm)
OK, by my calculations, these are the signs of some of our posters (in alphabetical order). PLEASE pardon me if I left anyone out. Hey, we are in the heart of the holidays and we must be moved by the spirit of the season. No acrimony! Loosen up!
Happy Holidays to all of you, your families, your friends, your loved ones!
2001gs430 – Capricorn
AnthonyP – Gemini
Autoedu - Taurus
Blckislandguy - Leo
Blkhemi – Gemini
Brightness04 – Aries
Cdpinhead – Gemini
Cyclone4 – Aquarius
Dewey – Pisces
Dhamilton – Gemini
Drfill – Pisces
Esf – Aquarius
Garyh1 – Libra
Houdini1 – Cancer
Hpowders – Leo
KarenS – Sagittarius
Kirstie_h – Aquarius
Laurasdada – Aries
Lexusguy – Virgo
Ljflx – Capricorn
Merc1 – Taurus
Nvbanker – Leo
Oac – Leo
Pat – Libra
Pearl - Capricorn
Reality2 – Scorpio
Syswei – Sagittarius
Tagman – Libra
Replies to this message:
- blkhemi (Dec 17, 2006 7:30 pm)
- pat (Dec 18, 2006 4:00 am)
- cdnpinhead (Dec 18, 2006 5:07 am)
- houdini1 (Dec 18, 2006 6:31 am)
- dewey (Dec 18, 2006 7:44 am)
- 2001gs430 (Dec 18, 2006 9:49 am)
- hpowders (Dec 18, 2006 1:11 pm)
- Karen@Edmunds (Dec 18, 2006 2:19 pm)
- cyclone4 (Dec 18, 2006 2:48 pm)
- reality2 (Dec 18, 2006 3:42 pm)
- merc1 (Dec 18, 2006 4:32 pm)
- tagman (Dec 18, 2006 8:46 pm)
#22339 of 24726 Re: Aw shucks, nobody wants to talk astrology and accidents? [designman]
Dec 17, 2006 (7:30 pm)
Hey, D-man. Sept 27 and that would make me a Libra.
#22340 of 24726 Re: I'm caught up again! [garyh1]
Dec 17, 2006 (9:48 pm)
I don't believe there is a totally new Jaguar since then - am I wrong on that? The car previously tested was the Mark 3, which had hit the showrooms in the Fall of 2002. Yes, they tested the Super 8 version this time, so perhaps that made the difference?
Nope you're correct, the Jaguar is the same as before, they just used a longer, more powerful version.
That was my point exactly. We agree. But that doesn't take away from the S coming out on top.
#22341 of 24726 Re: Aw shucks, nobody wants to talk astrology and accidents? [designman]
Dec 18, 2006 (4:00 am)
Pretty close for me - I'd be a Libra if I were born four days sooner.
#22342 of 24726 Re: Aw shucks, nobody wants to talk astrology and accidents? [designman]
Dec 18, 2006 (5:07 am)
Either you're really good, pretty lucky, or have access to LLSOC.
#22343 of 24726 Re: Aw shucks, nobody wants to talk astrology and accidents? [designman]
Dec 18, 2006 (6:31 am)
Capricorn. Another miss.