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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 17, 2006 7:30 am) Thank you for congratulating members in this forum and pooh poohing other members of this forum. Dewey, so sorry that you read my post as personal attacks. That was certainly not my intent, and never has been. I certainly don't pretend to have the same depth of knowledge about auto engineering as even the least of the other regular posters here; the only thing I try to add with my occasional posts is applying some rigorous logic (probably the result of my legal training) to discussions that sometimes seem to go off point, or worse, devolve into partisan positioning. Oh, and I do profess to also have some knowledge about finance (I run one of the top-50 independent securities broker-dealers in the US). But I stay involved here mostly to learn from the other posters - definitely including you - and to be entertained by the community's banter. I re-read my post and frankly don't see how I "pooh poohed" anyone. I did compliment ljflx's knowledge of finance, and inferred that I agreed with brightness04 about what he was saying about the significance of leasing, but I didn't say anything bad about anyone. Anyway, from the other responses to my post, it looks like other people read it in the light it was intended. Again, sorry if you took it otherwise. Yikes, I can't imagine how you'll respond if I ever have the temerity to say I disagree with you about something. Now back to HELCs..... |
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Replying to: blkhemi (Dec 17, 2006 8:25 am) Thanks very much for the "welcome back" (I'll wear the badge of Great Moderate proudly) and for the clarification on the interior materials in the 460L. I definitely will have to check this out for myself at some point. The problem is I never get to the Lexus dealer to look at the new cars; whenever my '05 LS430 needs routine maintenance (it has never needed any other service except for a computer refresh to fix the "hesitation" problem, which was done at the same time as the first free oil change), the dealer sends someone to me, leaves me a free Lexus loaner, picks up my car and services it, then returns it and takes back the loaner. Certainly part of the Lexus ownership experience that will be hard to give up in the future. |
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Replying to: merc1 (Dec 17, 2006 10:35 am) Hey, I agree that the S is winning the "Battle of the Comps". But I think the S and the LS are the only totally new models since the December 2003 C&D comp. I don't believe there is a totally new Jaguar since then - am I wrong on that? The car previously tested was the Mark 3, which had hit the showrooms in the Fall of 2002. Yes, they tested the Super 8 version this time, so perhaps that made the difference? I'll give you that a new LS being placed behind cars that it beat previously is something to wonder about, sure, but not with a new Mercedes. That was my point exactly. We agree. But that doesn't take away from the S coming out on top. Still, it is a shame that they didn't test the LS with the Touring Package, and then gave it demerits for the small trunk that only comes into play if you fill up the back seat with features that no other competitor has.
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 17, 2006 9:21 am) Not arguing anything Dewey and I asked without any survey in mind thank you. You take this stuff way too seriously. If you think most of the buying public buys or that even 40-50% buy them then God bless and go on thinking that. I hardly think so and I don't know anyone who HASN'T leased one of these cars everytime they face a decision. The whole business model is set up for lease and most of the people are smart enough in business to see that and take advantage of it. There comes a time when you accept what makes sense. I'm only talking the S, LS and that group but my instinct is that most lux cars are leased not bought for many of the same reasons. These are also leases with the option to buy and you can buy out anytime you want. To me you're a prisoner if you buy not the other way around. So what was the purpose of your sarcasm anyway. It was uncalled for. Yikes, I can't imagine how you'll respond if I ever have the temerity to say I disagree with you about something. Gary - you can see why my posts will be very rare around here. The tone and sarcasm is ridiculous. I don't have much desire to stay with it. Tag - I know you want some balance but I think based on the tones seen today you're don't have much supporta on this.
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Replying to: ljflx (Dec 17, 2006 2:21 pm) I don't think you're being fair to most of the people on this forum, because imho, when you were a regular here, your tone and civility level might not have been bottom of the heap, but they weren't top of the heap either. That's the way I remember it, and I wasn't even on the receiving end, generally. If you disagree, you're welcome to rejoin us permanently and show us all just how wrong I am.
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Replying to: ljflx (Dec 17, 2006 2:21 pm) I have to say that I think the lease/purchase equation is different when dealing with a Lexus than when dealing with a Benz. I paid cash for my LS for 3 reasons: (1) I could negotiate a 11% discount off of MSRP, (2) there were no heavily subsidized lease deals at the time (it was not in December), and (3) my intention was to keep the car until maintenance costs got too high, which I assumed would be a long time. None of those 3 factors applied to the S430 I was also considering at the time; on that car, your analysis was exactly the way it looked to me. Dewey, if you look at my first post, you'll see that I said the argument that had some credence was that there was no "scientific" evidence anyone had presented here on lease rates. But when you have anecdotal evidence that is so one-sided, unless there is some reason to believe Len's dealer is an outlier (say it was in Dubai), it becomes the best available indication of reality, and can't be ignored. I can't prove the sun will come up tomorrow either..... |
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OK, by my calculations, these are the signs of some of our posters (in alphabetical order). PLEASE pardon me if I left anyone out. Hey, we are in the heart of the holidays and we must be moved by the spirit of the season. No acrimony! Loosen up! Happy Holidays to all of you, your families, your friends, your loved ones! 2001gs430 – Capricorn AnthonyP – Gemini Autoedu - Taurus Blckislandguy - Leo Blkhemi – Gemini Brightness04 – Aries Cdpinhead – Gemini Cyclone4 – Aquarius Dewey – Pisces Dhamilton – Gemini Drfill – Pisces Esf – Aquarius Garyh1 – Libra Houdini1 – Cancer Hpowders – Leo KarenS – Sagittarius Kirstie_h – Aquarius Laurasdada – Aries Lexusguy – Virgo Ljflx – Capricorn Merc1 – Taurus Nvbanker – Leo Oac – Leo Pat – Libra Pearl - Capricorn Reality2 – Scorpio Syswei – Sagittarius Tagman – Libra 
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Replying to: designman (Dec 17, 2006 4:58 pm) |
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Replying to: garyh1 (Dec 17, 2006 1:08 pm) Nope you're correct, the Jaguar is the same as before, they just used a longer, more powerful version. That was my point exactly. We agree. But that doesn't take away from the S coming out on top.   M |
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Replying to: designman (Dec 17, 2006 4:58 pm)
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