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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: brightness04 (Dec 16, 2006 3:16 pm) The point being? LOL "If you wish to be success in the world, promise everything, deliver nothing." Napolean. Sorry, but that is hardly the Sam Walton approach.  TagMan |
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 13, 2006 7:57 pm)
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Replying to: blckislandguy (Dec 16, 2006 7:27 pm)  ALthough I do credit the NY Times for being astute enough to distinguish a Lexus LS430 from a Lexus LS460. Due to a tight budget I think The Oman Times auto reporter is also their renowned horoscope and Middle East reporter  |
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This is serious and not a spoof or a joke. If you dont believe it here is the SOURCE: ScotsMan What is the point of all those overpriced HELC safety features when you cant fight Fate? If you are of a specific astrological sign then you may end up being doomed to get into a car accident anyways: Had a car crash? It's all in the stars, study says By Naomi Kim TORONTO, Dec 13 (Reuters Life!) - Never mind how careful you are behind the wheel or how long you've been driving, the signs of the zodiac may be bigger factors behind your ability to avoid car crashes -- or why you have too many. According to a study by InsuranceHotline.com, a Web site that quotes drivers on insurance rates, astrological signs are a significant factor in predicting car accidents. The study, which looked at 100,000 North American drivers' records from the past six years, puts Libras (born September 23-October 22) followed by Aquarians (January 20-February 18) as the worst offenders for tickets and accidents Leos (July 23-August 22) and then Geminis (May 21-June 20) were found to be the best overall. "I was absolutely shocked by the results," said Lee Romanov, president of Toronto-based InsuranceHotline.com, who also wrote the book "Car Carma" which touches on the correlation between astrological signs and driving ability while doing the study. Romanov originally wanted to have some fun by examining astrological signs as a possible cause for the variance between insurance companies quoting high and low rates but didn't expect to find anything interesting. "Now, changing postal codes is far less significant to me than drivers of certain astrological signs," she told Reuters on Wednesday. Even age, another variable for determining insurance rates, is less of a consideration to Romanov. The cutoff line for being considered a higher risk driver is 24 years of age; 25-year-olds are considered not-high risk. "I'd rather get into a car with a 24-year-old Leo than a 25-year-old Aries," Romanov said. Leos, described along with the study results on InsuranceHotline.com/a10.html, are "generous, and comfortable in sharing the roadway." Aries, on the other hand, "have a 'me first' childlike nature that drives Aries into trouble." "I wasn't believing in it before," said Romanov, "but I would think twice before getting into a car with an Aries."
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Boy, you folks sure make it hard on us working blokes to keep up with this board! I take a few days off from reading and all of a sudden I am 300 posts behind. Forgive me if this goes back aways, but allow me to make a few observations on the discussions that have ensued. First, let me say it was great to see a post from ljflx, even if it was only to tell us why he wasn't likely to be posting here again soon. Len, I sure wish you would change your mind on that. Brightness has had a hard time fighting Merc and Tag on basic financial issues without you! We need your financial acumen. Second, I found the recent CD review extremely questionable in this respect: Merc, forget the S, which is indeed a new model and may be a better car than the LS from this reviewer's point of view. But how did the new LS come out below old models of the Jag and the Audi that its predecessor beat previously? For that to happen, the new LS460 would have to be a worse car than the old LS430. Does anyone believe that a comparison of those two cars would have the LS430 come out way on top? The only real issue with the LS460 I saw was the braking distance, but somehow you have to believe that something was wrong with the tested car; maybe it was due to pre-production, maybe the tires, maybe some computer adjustment was needed - do we really believe that Lexus intended to come out with a car that was substantially worse in braking than any of its competitors, and all other cheaper Lexus models? "Hiro-san, didn't you try out the brakes in a test car before releasing for production?" "No, Senior Engineer-san, I thought you said you did it! Oops!" Blkhemi, all this talk about the cheap plastic in the interior of the LS460; do you really mean to say that Lexus went from higher quality materials in the LS430 to lower quality materials in the LS460L? I haven't seen one close up myself yet, so maybe it's true, but again it seems hard to believe. Finally, the old lease/purchase LS/S debate rises once again from the dead. Brightness, you are so correct on this that it hurts my head to read the rebuttals that don't rebut anything. The only argument on the other side that makes any sense at all is Merc's continued challenge that no one has provided any proof that the overwhelming majority of HELCs are leased, so MSRP differences must be relevant (I'm sure he will say I am misparaphrasing, so I apologize in advance). First, just go ask any MB dealer what percentage of his S sales are leases and you'll get the answer; and it will be very high. Further proof is found by looking at the December promotions on both MB's and Lexus' web sites, and tell me what deals are there other than leasing deals. But more important is that even on the purchase side, look at the discount from MSRP you could get on the LS430 vs. the discount from MSRP on the S430 when both were towards the end of their cycles: the LS dealer cost was a much bigger percentage below MSRP than S dealer cost. And guess what, it's still true on the LS460L vs. the S550! Look at Edmunds and you can see for yourself. Bottom line: when the dust settles and supply and demand are back in balance for both the LS and the S, the true cost of purchase of an LS versus an S will be greater than the difference between their MSRPs. But the difference in lease costs will be relatively smaller, which is relevant to many more people. In any case, the MSRPs will be irrelevant to everyone except the car reviewers.
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Replying to: garyh1 (Dec 16, 2006 11:01 pm) thank you for telling us who has a high acumen and who doesnt have a high acumen in these forums Thank you for congratulating members in this forum and pooh poohing other members of this forum. Thank you for providing us with your lease/purchase LS/S and CD test drive views especially when they cannot be verified with facts. I do respect your views and it is so nice of you to join us. But we forum members here do not need to be spoon fed by your opinions on who is right and who is wrong. Thanks but no thanks our acumen is high enough to make those kinds of judgements ourselves. Now how about discussing HELCs instead of forum members. How's that for a radical notion 
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 16, 2006 9:35 pm) http://www.InsuranceHotline.com/a10.html ACCIDENTS – from worst to best Libra - Worst Scorpio Capricorn Aries Aquarius Sagittarius Pisces Taurus Virgo Gemini Cancer Leo – Best Here's another source: http://www.suncorp.com.au/suncorp/news/2002/feb_10_2.html ACCIDENTS – from worst to best Gemini - Worst Taurus Pisces Virgo Cancer Aquarius Aries Leo Libra Sagittarius Scorpio Capricorn - Best
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