Last post on Jan 28, 2013 at 5:55 PM
You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#22278 of 24726 Re: Mercedes-Benz [merc1]
Dec 14, 2006 (7:14 am)
Definitely great news for the MB productline.
No shared platforms between MB and Chrysler.
No shared platforms in the near future between Audi and VW.
BMW continuing its tradition of avoiding re-badged engineering.
So whose the blacksheep of the family now? Porsche. Unlike the other German marques Porsche plans to increase its links to VW. In this case tradition prevails since we should not forget Dr. Ferdinand Porsche did build his first 911 with VW parts.
Here is some interesting tidbit about Porsche's grandson from the Economist:
ACCORDING to rumour, Ferdinand Piëch likes to run chickens off the road in his Volkswagen Touareg. Whether that is true or not, he certainly tends to ride roughshod over humans, metaphorically at least. During his long career as head of Audi, chief executive of Volkswagen and now VW's supervisory-board chairman, he is reckoned to have fired at least 30 directors. They include three of his successors as head of Audi, a Volkswagen subsidiary, and his latest victim, Bernd Pischetsrieder, who succeeded him in 2002 as boss of VW. On November 7th the firm said that Mr Pischetsrieder would leave at the end of the year. It was another swift and bloodless execution by Mr Piëch. A manic, blue-eyed 69-year-old, Mr Piëch combines the cold logic of Darwinism with a military ruthlessness in his commercial dealings.
#22279 of 24726 Re: OK - Now here this. [nvbanker]
Dec 14, 2006 (7:19 am)
Clearly, you know nothing about Lexus and their parent, Toyota.
Clearly you know something that we all dont know?
Toyota does share engines and platforms with Lexus. That may not be the case for all Lexuses but it is the case for certain SUVs and the ES.
Please enlighten us with what you do know about Lexus?
#22280 of 24726 Re: Mercedes-Benz [dewey]
Dec 14, 2006 (12:55 pm)
Well out of all the issues, bets, concerns I have going about Mercedes that may be the best one to get resolved (or at least we think it is). Now if the E could shoot past the 5 and that S Cabriolet turned into a CL Cabrio.......
#22281 of 24726 Re: Mercedes-Benz [merc1]
Dec 14, 2006 (3:49 pm)
that S Cabriolet turned into a CL Cabrio.......
Well in that case this is how the new CL Cabrio will look like if it had four doors.
#22282 of 24726 Re: OK - Now here this. [dewey]
Dec 14, 2006 (5:04 pm)
With the exception of a few Lexus vehicles, they all mostly spun from lower end models, a GM and Ford tactic that has costed them a great deal.
ES350- Toyota Camry
RX350/400h- Toyota Highlander/HSD
GX470-Toyota 4-Runner V8
LX470-Toyota Land Cruiser
The GS, which is based on a now-defunct Toyota model, and the IS, SC, and LS are the only sacred models for our market.
I sure would love to know anything else.
#22283 of 24726 Re: Mercedes-Benz [dewey]
Dec 14, 2006 (5:10 pm)
As I've eluded to time over time, Porsche's top brass is really interested in Audi, and could give a rats #$% about VW.
They want to dump Tiptronic in favor of DSG. They want to get into the know of making their classic staid interiors more posh in order to get more picky customers in the doors.
They need to know the characteristics of AWD when they actually do take the 911 front-engine(didn't thinkt they'd make a liquid-cooled engine either did ya?
These are all of the things that Audi can only teach.
I don't think they want to detach Audi from VW, but they definetely want to share technology.
#22284 of 24726 Re: Mercedes-Benz [blkhemi]
Dec 14, 2006 (5:17 pm)
when they actually do take the 911 front-engine
No way, Jose.
#22285 of 24726 Audi marketing
Dec 14, 2006 (5:19 pm)
Here's a blurb to show that Audi is paying some attention to its marketing.
#22286 of 24726 Re: Mercedes-Benz [tagman]
Dec 14, 2006 (5:54 pm)
Whoa Nelly!! Just because you got one of the last 911's as we know it doesn't mean they won't go front-engine.
Seriously, there has been talk of Porsche wanting to go hi-po V6 and V8 in the 911's in the future, and much of that talk has involved the upper brass in how to make the 911 front-engine and still enjoyable by the it's cult following.
We all thought it was all over for Porsche to go liquid-cooled. Well if they hadn't, we wouldn't have been driving Porsche's at all as they couldn't pass emissions.
And also, the company has really started to listen to the consumers of the 911's over the very premature tire wear it has, no doubt do mostly to the 60% rear end weight bias. Most 911 tires only last about 15k miles.
#22287 of 24726 Re: OK - Now here this. [blkhemi]
Dec 14, 2006 (6:40 pm)
And exactly what point are you trying to make here? That Toyota/Lexus is smarter, more cost efficient, and plans better than other car companies? We are supposed to be discussing the LS, not Toyota/Lexus lower end models. What Toyota shares the LS platform?