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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: OK - Now here this. [esf] by esf
Dec 13, 2006 (9:10 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Dec 13, 2006 9:06 pm)

Whoops! They actually don't share the 3.2FSI engine- that's exclusive to Audi.
 
Confusingly, there's a 3.2L engine without FSI that makes identical power, but with slightly worse gas mileage. It's a true VR6, unlike the FSI version.
 
The 3.2L w/o FSI is used in the A3, TT, and R32, and I'm sure a few more.
 
The 3.2FSI is used in the A4 and A6- I don't know if any others are using it at this time.
 
'06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
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Re: OK - Now here this. [esf] by nvbanker
Dec 13, 2006 (10:12 pm)
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Replying to: esf (Dec 13, 2006 9:06 pm)

I'm glad Audi is more separate from VW than Lexus is from Toyota, however. Audi develops their own engines and technologies, VW theirs.
 
Clearly, you know nothing about Lexus and their parent, Toyota.
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Mercedes-Benz by merc1
Dec 14, 2006 (1:25 am)
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Thank Goodness!
 
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Re: OK - Now here this. [esf] by houdini1
Dec 14, 2006 (5:17 am)
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Replying to: esf (Dec 13, 2006 9:06 pm)

The first to get this treatment is the new A5 coupe, which will debut at the Geneva Show in March. I'm excited- it's supposed to have much better handling than past Audis (much less front overhang; engine behind front axle) and will effectively rid the brand of its nose-heavy attitude
 
Another mea culpa about some of the faults of the outgoing model.
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Re: Mercedes-Benz [merc1] by dewey
Dec 14, 2006 (7:14 am)
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Replying to: merc1 (Dec 14, 2006 1:25 am)

Definitely great news for the MB productline.
 
No shared platforms between MB and Chrysler.
No shared platforms in the near future between Audi and VW.
BMW continuing its tradition of avoiding re-badged engineering.
 
So whose the blacksheep of the family now? Porsche. Unlike the other German marques Porsche plans to increase its links to VW. In this case tradition prevails since we should not forget Dr. Ferdinand Porsche did build his first 911 with VW parts.
 
Here is some interesting tidbit about Porsche's grandson from the Economist:
 
ACCORDING to rumour, Ferdinand Piëch likes to run chickens off the road in his Volkswagen Touareg. Whether that is true or not, he certainly tends to ride roughshod over humans, metaphorically at least. During his long career as head of Audi, chief executive of Volkswagen and now VW's supervisory-board chairman, he is reckoned to have fired at least 30 directors. They include three of his successors as head of Audi, a Volkswagen subsidiary, and his latest victim, Bernd Pischetsrieder, who succeeded him in 2002 as boss of VW. On November 7th the firm said that Mr Pischetsrieder would leave at the end of the year. It was another swift and bloodless execution by Mr Piëch. A manic, blue-eyed 69-year-old, Mr Piëch combines the cold logic of Darwinism with a military ruthlessness in his commercial dealings.
 
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Re: OK - Now here this. [nvbanker] by dewey
Dec 14, 2006 (7:19 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (Dec 13, 2006 10:12 pm)

Clearly, you know nothing about Lexus and their parent, Toyota.
 
Clearly you know something that we all dont know?
 
Toyota does share engines and platforms with Lexus. That may not be the case for all Lexuses but it is the case for certain SUVs and the ES.
 
Please enlighten us with what you do know about Lexus?
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Re: Mercedes-Benz [dewey] by merc1
Dec 14, 2006 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 14, 2006 7:14 am)

Well out of all the issues, bets, concerns I have going about Mercedes that may be the best one to get resolved (or at least we think it is). Now if the E could shoot past the 5 and that S Cabriolet turned into a CL Cabrio.......
 
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Re: Mercedes-Benz [merc1] by dewey
Dec 14, 2006 (3:49 pm)
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Replying to: merc1 (Dec 14, 2006 12:55 pm)

that S Cabriolet turned into a CL Cabrio.......
 
Well in that case this is how the new CL Cabrio will look like if it had four doors.
 

 
BenzInsider
 
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Re: OK - Now here this. [dewey] by blkhemi
Dec 14, 2006 (5:04 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 14, 2006 7:19 am)

Agreed.
 
With the exception of a few Lexus vehicles, they all mostly spun from lower end models, a GM and Ford tactic that has costed them a great deal.
 
ES350- Toyota Camry
RX350/400h- Toyota Highlander/HSD
GX470-Toyota 4-Runner V8
LX470-Toyota Land Cruiser
 
The GS, which is based on a now-defunct Toyota model, and the IS, SC, and LS are the only sacred models for our market.
 
I sure would love to know anything else.
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Re: Mercedes-Benz [dewey] by blkhemi
Dec 14, 2006 (5:10 pm)
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 14, 2006 7:14 am)

As I've eluded to time over time, Porsche's top brass is really interested in Audi, and could give a rats #$% about VW.
 
They want to dump Tiptronic in favor of DSG. They want to get into the know of making their classic staid interiors more posh in order to get more picky customers in the doors.
They need to know the characteristics of AWD when they actually do take the 911 front-engine(didn't thinkt they'd make a liquid-cooled engine either did ya?
 
These are all of the things that Audi can only teach.
 
I don't think they want to detach Audi from VW, but they definetely want to share technology.

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