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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#22078 of 24723 Merc1 the Clock is Ticking by dewey

Dec 11, 2006 (7:30 am)

Merc,
 
this is getting a bit too serious now. But unfortunately you better prepare yourself for that brochure-diet you vowed to go on when a new MB S convertible is introduced.
 
I know you go on an annual Detroit pilgrimage during January and you will be able to see it with your own eyes next month according to Automotive News Report.
 
Which brings me to the important second matter. Our BMW 5 vs MB E sales bet for 2006. Oh what a shame this one bet was a gentlemens' bet. Next time we make a bet whoever loses will have to eat a hardcopy of War and Peace.

#22079 of 24723 Re: If I wrote it... [hpowders] by 2001gs430

Dec 11, 2006 (7:31 am)

Replying to: hpowders (Dec 11, 2006 7:03 am)
I have not get a chance to test drive the new LS, so I can't say any thing about it one way or the other. I think as intelligent people, we know trash when we see/smell it. Plus, all these points have been beaten to death here, so I would take DrFill's approach, which is let the sales numbers speak for themselves. I am keeping my fingers crossed that the LS460 will smashed all HELC sales records.

#22080 of 24723 Re: If I wrote it... [hpowders] by dewey

Dec 11, 2006 (7:32 am)

Replying to: hpowders (Dec 11, 2006 7:03 am)
Overall what Shoemaker had to say was already said by other reviewers. Except he added some Cajun spice to his words. The one big weakness with this review was pointed out by Merc(comparing a MB E63 to a LS)
 

#22081 of 24723 Re: LS460 Review [2001gs430] by dewey

Dec 11, 2006 (7:35 am)

Replying to: 2001gs430 (Dec 11, 2006 6:20 am)
Btw, I still don't get the complaints about the LS not being a bargain any longer
 
GS did you say the words bargain? From an American I understand what those words mean. But from a Canadain who is faced with a 87K CDN$ LS460 SWB MSRP I have not a clue how you can those words without a tinge of sarcasm

#22082 of 24723 Re: LS460 Review [dewey] by houdini1

Dec 11, 2006 (7:51 am)

Replying to: dewey (Dec 11, 2006 7:35 am)
Sounds like you have a beef with your socialist government!! Do they tax Japanese cars more heavily than German cars? What would an S class cost?

#22083 of 24723 Drugstore Carboys by houdini1

Dec 11, 2006 (8:09 am)

I saw this rather interesting article a few days ago about what type of people buy certain cars, etc.
 
The article said that the majority of people who buy expenseive SUV's never take them off road, etc. I would certainly agree with this.
 
It went on to say that the majority of people who buy expensive performance cars do not have the skill to drive them the way they were meant to be driven. Instead the cars sit in the garage and depreciate when they are not in bumper to bumper traffic commuting to and from work or picking up a carton of milk at the local grocery store. They like the idea of being a serious performance driver rather than actually being one. All for their self image.
 
It was all in fun and quite humorous but it really hit the nail on the head about these so called "drugstore carboys". Anybody know anyone like that?

#22084 of 24723 Re: LS460 Review [dewey] by 2001gs430

Dec 11, 2006 (8:33 am)

Replying to: dewey (Dec 11, 2006 7:35 am)
Dewey, I know this is a lot of money to put in a car in spite the fact that I make my living earning USD(200K + annually) while living in Canada, but do you know what the starting MSRP for the LS430 was? How about the starting MSRP for your wife's 5x Touring, isn't it just shy of 80k? In any case, it is a bargain relative to competing candidates...
I will not buy any car in this price range of CDN 80K plus in Canada, since you can save a lot of loonies importing one from the USA. In the case of the LS460, I would probably save about 10-15K. The only catch is you probably have to do cash purchase if you don't exist there financially i.e. have established financial records with a US financial institution.

#22085 of 24723 Car Buying Habits by houdini1

Dec 11, 2006 (8:34 am)

Someone here recently asked if I would be buying a LS 460 any time soon. The answer is no. My next HELC will be a 2 or 3 year old LS 430 that someone else has taken the depreciation hit on. That is why I like Lexus. Their cars are still like new after 30 or 40K and quite reasonable.
 
I would never waste my kids inheritance on a "new" car". The minute you take your first drive it is then a "used car". Nope, give me a 2 or 3 year old LS and I am happy.
 
I never lease because I don't like the idea of driving someone else's car and I always pay cash.

#22086 of 24723 Re: If I wrote it... [2001gs430] by hpowders

Dec 11, 2006 (8:35 am)

Replying to: 2001gs430 (Dec 11, 2006 7:31 am)
"Trash" as defined by you is anything negative Mr. Shoemaker found about the LS460? Every critical point he made has already been corroborated elsewhere. I can see you objecting to his aggressive writing style, but he does raise valid points.
 
If you do get to drive one soon, please post your findings.

#22087 of 24723 Re: LS460 Review [houdini1] by dewey

Dec 11, 2006 (9:59 am)

Replying to: houdini1 (Dec 11, 2006 7:51 am)
Sounds like you have a beef with your socialist government!! Do they tax Japanese cars more heavily than German cars? What would an S class cost?
 
MB S Class base MSRP 120K Cdn $ (105K US$)
 
Canadians pay 14 percent in sales taxes . Do I have a beef against our socialist government? Our current Government is conservative and unlike the BIG SPENDING/BIG GOVERNMENT Bush Republicans our Canadian covervatives promotes the idea of small government and are in the process of cutting our sales, income and capital taxes. The word socialist is a bit of a strong word in this case.
 
gs2001,
 
I got a good deal on my wife's BMW touring. Unfortunately with taxes, pdi and all the rest it ended up being close to $80k

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