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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#22032 of 24723 Re: BMW Diesels [designman]
Dec 09, 2006 (9:33 pm)
A 180 degree change in decision regarding BMW diesels in just two weeks? During Nov. 22nd BMW had no diesel plans for the USA and in Dec. 7th BMW has diesel plans for USA. Something must be going on behind the scenes at Munich?
Very little is certain about the BMW diesels that will sell in our continent by 2008 But what is for certain is that BMW will not be using MB Blutec technology and instead they will develop their own urea based technology to scrub nitrogen emissions.
Fortunately for Honda their diesels do not require urea technology since their cars will be able to self-generate enough ammononia to reduce nitrogen to satisfy the new stringent emissions regulations.
Unlike Honda's 2.2L diesels, luxury German diesels will require urea injections. Why? Because unfortunatley larger diesel engines generate a higher level of nitrogen and self-generated ammonia will not be enough to reduce their higher levels of nitrogen. So by necessity urea injections will supplement self-generated ammonia among the German luxury marques.
If Honda introduces diesels with more displacement(V6 engines) then it is almost with certainty that they also will will be using similar urea technology as the Germans.
#22033 of 24723 Re: BMW Diesels [dewey]
Dec 09, 2006 (9:47 pm)
And I have no problem with the urea system as it is described. Checking the oil level is likely more of a concern, so the urea is no big deal to me. The tank will get topped up at regular maintenance intervals. Big deal. The urea injection system will be fine and those engines will be terrific.
As far as BMW goes, regardless of the publicity or lack thereof, I'll bet serious green that they will indeed have themselves a good diesel competitor.
#22034 of 24723 Re: Ward's 10 Best Engines [houdini1]
Dec 09, 2006 (9:50 pm)
By that time every other part on the car would have had to be replaced 4 or 5 times. Talk about a money pit!
The words of someone who never experienced owning a BMW and never will own a BMW.
I hate spending money and I owned a BMW for eight years with minimum maintenance/repair costs. Houdini I think you are mixing up BMW with Ferrari. Unfortunately BMWs are not as exotic as Ferarris but here is an interesting article about the maintenance/depreciation costs involved with owning a Ferrari 550 Maranello
#22035 of 24723 Re: BMW Diesels [tagman]
Dec 09, 2006 (9:53 pm)
Checking the oil level is likely more of a concern, so the urea is no big deal to me. The tank will get topped up at regular maintenance intervals. Big deal. The urea injection system will be fine and those engines will be terrific.
Likewise! I am very interested in a future diesel. With regular maintenance there will no major urea bladder issues.
So what happens if a owner ignores low urea levels? The new and upcoming diesel Land Rover(I dont know if it will sell on our shores?) will cut the revs and horsepower of its 3.6L engine to a level in which it can self-generate enough ammonia without the assistance of urea injections. Definitely an inconvenience but that inconvenience would be a non-issue if an owner does regular maintenance on his Land Rover.
#22037 of 24723 Re: Volvo XC90 SE Sport & Executive Edition [lexusguy]
Dec 09, 2006 (10:21 pm)
You cannot just use the exchange rate to compare prices in the UK to prices here in the states. Its the same with Canadian car prices.
British car prices make Canadian prices look like bargains and their gas prices are at least double of ours. On top of that if you are in London you end up paying a hefty toll for driving in the city. And good luck finding parking and if you do find parking be prepared to pay an arm and a leg for that priviledge
If I lived in the UK I would be doing more bicycling and jogging than car driving.
#22038 of 24723 Re: Volvo XC90 SE Sport & Executive Edition [dewey]
Dec 10, 2006 (1:10 am)
If you drive a scooter or a hybrid, you can get out of the congestion charges. On the other hand, if you drive an SUV, you're royally screwed.
#22039 of 24723 Re: Merc [drfill]
Dec 10, 2006 (7:11 am)
Now would be a good time? You just made my point. Lexus sales rock ALL THE TIME! You act like I just came up with that as a fall-back position, when that's my main point, always and forever.
I love how you never, ever have a point that anyone sees and then claim that someone else made it for your. Again, you miss the point. You fall back on sales because your ranting on the LS can no longer be backed up with anything. Reverting back to something as tired as Lexus' sales is just lame. Feel free to talk about sales all you like. Who cares.
The commercial runs because the commercial sells. It's 50 times more successful than anything Mercedes is doing.
Total nonsense to say the least. You're saying that Lexus' lame, pathetic commercials are more successful than Mercedes' because Lexus sells more cars in December than Mercedes does right? Uh...Hello earth to Doc....Lexus sells more than Mercedes does anyway, it isn't because of some shallow commercials.
So when Mercedes comes up with ONE DECENT commercial, this decade, then do a commentary on how lame Lexus commercials are.
Total lack of credibility here Doc. If you think that Lexus' lame commercials with bows tied on top of those unsightly cars are better than Mercedes commercials for the S or CL or the "Race" commercial you must be living on Lexus koolaid. MB Commercials
No one does more forgettable commercials than Mercedes. Let's look up the word "lame" in the dictionary, and place it on the correct ad campaign.
Here is the difference between Lexus and Mercedes. Mercedes doesn't need a commercial to sell their cars, Lexus does. The Mercedes name alone sells their cars and only names that plucked out of the thin air during a Toyota board meeting need the heavier advertising to get their name out there.
If this about Mercedes' commercials being so forgettable were true then Lexus folks like LG wouldn't have clearly stated that MB has done some good ads. Poof, another one-man theory gone. Total and utter BS doc and you know it to try and sit here and say MB has never made a decent or memorable commercial.
If you, and everyone else, are spending this much energy commenting on it, while Lexus is selling BIG with it, you're probably using the wrong word.
You seem to think that just because something is popular that it is great. It is mentioned because the ads are stupid and their air a jillion times a day. Kinda like those head on commercials.
#22040 of 24723 Re: Merc [tagman]
Dec 10, 2006 (7:14 am)
Drunk on koolaid to write anything like that. It isn't worth debating when you see things like that.
#22041 of 24723 Re: Tanx for the comp, Tag [drfill]
Dec 10, 2006 (7:23 am)
And Merc seems to have a problem showing respect, and giving credit when it is due. Especially since Lexus has taught it's peers lessons in advertising, and Mercedes has learned nothing about it in the 17 years class has been in session.
There is no respect to be given. Lexus December commercials usually show some twit running out to unwrap a huge bow on a new Lexus. Where is the lesson or innovation for others to follow there? Jaguar does the same thing, but it is far more tastefully done. There is absolutely nothing for any brand to learn Lexus' sorry ads. Period.
Again, where is the proof that anyone has even tried to duplicate, mimic, or be like Lexus when it comes to these ads? Where?
A shiny new car with a bow on top of it during the month of December takes absolutely ZERO brain power to come up with. Lexus is supposed to get some type of respect or special mention for this? A joke at best.
If you listen to Merc, the Lexus commercial has no merit. When in fact his legendary company still can't script 30 seconds worth watching, going back over the last decade or two?
Darn right it doesn't. Again, why don't you take a look at the annoying commercials thread on the News the Views side of the house. Plenty of mention about Lexus there December to forget ads, last I checked I saw nothing about Mercedes. Mercedes hasn't had a single ad in 20 years worth anything, only the most jaded Lexus fan would come up with that.