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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#22009 of 24723 2007 Automobile All-Stars
Dec 09, 2006 (12:01 pm)
Automobile Magazine has released the list of the 2007 Automobile All-Stars. The S-Class is included, of course.
Here's the list of the 2007 All-Stars:
2007 Automobile All-Stars
Here's a quote and the direct link to the S-Class:
This latest S not only addresses every single criticism we've mentioned, it moves the bar for this class virtually out of sight. That's depressing if you work for Lexus or BMW but mighty good news for fans of undiluted German motoring pomp.
All-Star: 2007 Mercedes S-Class
Anyway, I'll just post it, and you'll have to excuse me if I don't put a cheerleader spin on it and if I don't get out the pom-poms, all the while gulping Kool-Aid and yelling "Mercedes dominates the designation of benchmark"... blah, blah, blah.
#22010 of 24723 Volvo XC90 SE Sport & Executive Edition
Dec 09, 2006 (12:07 pm)
Volvo released its top-of-the-line SUV in the UK for 2007 (making way to US in 08?)
XC90 SE Sport starts 36K GBP or 72K USD
XC90 Executive starting 46K GBP or 90K USD to 100K+ for the V8 edition - WOW
UK Release News
The XC90 SE Sport looks somewhat like the Porsche Cayenne.
Might not match the Cayenne S in performance but the XC90 sure looks stronger, sexier, and safer too (The 2007 Volvo XC90 Rated Top Safety pick by IIHS)
#22011 of 24723 Re: Volvo XC90 SE Sport & Executive Edition [autoedu]
Dec 09, 2006 (12:20 pm)
Nice... for a Volvo. Personally, I'd rather see dual exhaust. Maybe the Sport model will have it. Will enough folks lay down $72K - $90K for a Volvo?...especially when the X5, Cayenne, Toureg, (and MDX) are out there. Any word on passenger capacity or U.S. engine choices?
#22012 of 24723 Re: Instead of a Spam Filter [drfill]
Dec 09, 2006 (1:01 pm)
Doc I wouldn't care what the sales numbers are, you're missing the point. Those commercials are lame and tired and uh..shallow to put it lightly. We all know they aren't running them for taste, its a cheesy sales pitch.
Again, everyone has a big month in December. We already know Lexus outsells BMW and Mercedes during the year so why would Dec be any different? Now would be a good time to fall back on sales numbers though seeing as though Lexus new LS didn't make the Automobile Magazine's All-Stars list. The S-Class has that spot thank you.
#22013 of 24723 Re: diesel fuel [tagman]
Dec 09, 2006 (1:22 pm)
That could seal the deal.
#22014 of 24723 Re: Instead of a Spam Filter [merc1]
Dec 09, 2006 (1:26 pm)
"We already know Lexus outsells BMW."
Yes and we already know that Thunderbird outsells Chateau Rothschild.
#22015 of 24723 Re: Volvo XC90 SE Sport & Executive Edition [tagman]
Dec 09, 2006 (1:27 pm)
With a top price tag of $100K Volvo is making inroad for high end luxury SUV segment. I guess Volvo really made its SUV for Executives only with that six-figures price tag
The Volvo XC90 Sport & Executive editions main competitors will be the Range Rover, Range Rover Sports, Cayenne S & Turbo, Mercedes M&G, X5 (MDX & Touareg, Lexus don't fit into this category)
The sport edition has twin-exhausts, and just checked Volvo website, the SE Sport edition is available in US for 2007 model, and the Executive edition is to follow soon
#22016 of 24723 Re: Ward's 10 Best Engines [tagman]
Dec 09, 2006 (1:40 pm)
Well to each his own I guess. I like my approach better. Any time you buy or lease a car it is almost always a losing proposition financially so you might as well do whatever you want.
I just do not see the rationale behind a BMW diesel. I don't think even hp would want to keep a BMW long enough to wear out a diesel engine. By that time every other part on the car would have had to be replaced 4 or 5 times. Talk about a money pit!
#22017 of 24723 Re: Ward's 10 Best Engines [houdini1]
Dec 09, 2006 (2:59 pm)
I just do not see the rationale behind a BMW diesel. I don't think even hp would want to keep a BMW long enough to wear out a diesel engine.
WHAT!!!??? You always crow about the reliability of the Lexus, yet BWM would have a reliable long-lasting engine and you think it's nonsense.
#22018 of 24723 Re: Ward's 10 Best Engines [tagman]
Dec 09, 2006 (3:16 pm)
Both BMW and Lexus have great engines. It's in all the other things that Lexus outshines BMW.
There is no advantage if the engine lasts 10 years and all the other parts on a BMW wear out or break in 3 years. Why do you think HP leases BMW's for the short term?