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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
Dec 09, 2006 (8:45 am)
This link must have been missed by some. I think Dewey might have posted it originally. Anyway BMW isn't bringing diesels to the US any time soon:
"While Volkswagen and Mercedes already sell diesels in the U.S. market, BMW has no plans to do so any time soon and declines to use the BLUETEC name, currently being used to help sell Mercedes-Benz E 320s that run on ultra low sulphur diesel in the U.S.
The world's biggest premium carmaker, a fierce rival of DaimlerChrysler's luxury Mercedes brand, first wants to develop a urea-based technology to reduce nitrogen oxides before considering a sustained entry into the U.S. diesel market."
From Reuters, Nov. 22, 2006
#21998 of 24726 Re: BMW Diesels [designman]
Dec 09, 2006 (8:48 am)
An article in yesterdays newspaper said otherwise. It quoted BMW as saying the U.S. would have a BMW diesel by 2008. They declined to say which models.
#21999 of 24726 Re: BMW Diesels [houdini1]
Dec 09, 2006 (9:03 am)
Hmm, that's correct. Just googled and got this one from Autoweek. I wonder why the discrepancy. I recently heard a complaint about Reuters but don't know the extent or truth of it.
From Autoweek, Dec. 7, 2006
#22000 of 24726 Re: BMW Diesels [designman]
Dec 09, 2006 (9:09 am)
D-man - BMW will bring a diesel here. It has been published seperate from their break with the "alliance".
You can bank on it. There is enough publicity already, and it makes too much sense. Given their position, they could not make such a blunder and leave it to the rest. And being BMW, they will offer a terrific one at that.
hpowders may be the first one here to actually own (lease) it.
#22001 of 24726 Re: Ward's 10 Best Engines [houdini1]
Dec 09, 2006 (9:44 am)
Yes, my next purchase will be a diesel of some sort. I don't think it would be a helc though. Probably a small car for emergency use in case gas prices soar. Something in the 50mpg range.
I completely understand the emotion associated with that post. I think it is incredibly common now in this country.
Recent survey showed Americans wanting a mandated 40 mpg average for cars sold here. Talk about a potential diesel market!
Unfortunately, the urge to have a second high mpg vehicle for "emergency" needs to be evaluated. First, it is only the difference between the current mpg useage and that 50 mpg that would be the statistically significant number.
Then there is the acquisition of that second vehicle itself. So, if you must spend, let's say, $18,000 - $28,000 for an upcoming theoretical economical diesel that gets an additional real-life 20 mpg over your current vehicle... then the price of the acquisition will take many, many years before you would ever see the monetary benefit...if ever.
Instead, consider purchasing or leasing an actual replacement car that serves as your full-time driver... One that gets terrific mpg's.
Frankly, hpowders approach to the upcoming marketplace is quite brilliant. If leased as a diesel.. a short term obligation with reasonable payments, and terrific mileage, and all in a great performing well-appointed vehicle... how does it get much better than that!!? And.. in two years comes the next best thing. Freakin' brilliant. It really is.
Heck, I might just be talking myself into doing the same thing!
#22002 of 24726 Re: BMW Diesels [tagman]
Dec 09, 2006 (9:53 am)
Thank you for the compliment!
With all the new technology coming at us at a fever pitch, I want to drive as many of these great new vehicles as I can. A 2 year (or shorter) lease with a high residual seems the way to do it for me.
We'll see about the first to drive a diesel in the HELC thread.
That would be quite an honor!
On the BMW threads, I would probably be #262!
The 335id sound intriguing-all that power with great mpg.
I agree. BMW will not let MB bring BlueTec here without an appropriate response.
Let the diesel wars begin!
#22003 of 24726 LS600hL - could be a mistake
Dec 09, 2006 (9:57 am)
Yikes... consider a lease obligation of 3 - 6 years on a hybrid! And at an MSRP of $100,000 + ! Or, if purchased, what a risk that would be.
As exclusive as the upcoming LS500hL might be, I have recently updated my position on this vehicle as too RISKY.
And, as a side bar, the styling is bland enough even by today's standards, that in five more years, the styling could look too old to warrant it's initial giant price tag... and of course the technology will certainly have improved hugely, if not even completely changed, by that time, leaving the vehicle's powertrain technology much closer to the risk of becoming somewhat obsolete, or at a minimum outdated.
LS600hL? - move with CAUTION!
#22004 of 24726 diesel fuel
Dec 09, 2006 (10:03 am)
hpowders - I think it is almost a certainty that there will be an increased supply of the mandated low-sulfur diesel fuel over the next two years and beyond.
#22005 of 24726 Re: LS600hL - could be a mistake [tagman]
Dec 09, 2006 (10:07 am)
If you are going to do a vehicle for 4+ years, buying is smarter. At least if something better comes along in the interim, you can flip the vehicle. With the lease, you have to make the 48 payments in most cases.
#22006 of 24726 Re: diesel fuel [tagman]
Dec 09, 2006 (10:09 am)
That is the only thing I can think of that can possibly go wrong. I do believe there is an internet site indicating where diesel fuel is being sold throughout the US. Hope your area comes along really soon.