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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#21903 of 24726 Re: BBC Top Gear Survey 2005 [houdini1]
Dec 06, 2006 (5:48 pm)
with all due respect these results merely confirm what we all already know. . Lexus has consistently won consumer satisfaction surveys for almost 17 years by not one surveyor but various surveryors like JD Powers, Consumrers Report, Strategic Vision and last but not least Top Gear.
Kudos for Lexus!
I knew these results for years and chose a BMW instead. Why?
Because I dont need a customer survey to tell me what car will satisfy me. In fact I am most happy being a auto survey contrarian and so far cant imagine driving any other car then what I am driving today.
Currently I need a new fridge and I will be looking at surveys. In the case of fridges my happiness will be determined by surveys.
#21904 of 24726 Re: Anybody pick up this month's MT? [hpowders]
Dec 06, 2006 (5:58 pm)
Perhaps the 335i coupe is next for 2 years and then a BMW diesel after that.
How about a 335i sedan?
Let us do a swap deal. Your BMW 550i for my BMW 335i?
#21905 of 24726 Re: Anybody pick up this month's MT? [hpowders]
Dec 06, 2006 (6:01 pm)
All serious performance vehicles I know of may offer an auto tranny to the pretenders, but always offer a great manual tranny to the serious drivers.
By that definition, AMG vehicles are not "serious performance vehicles". So, the IS-F will have some company.
Dec 06, 2006 (6:35 pm)
Not enough commercials in mind to even debate that, but I do know Lexus makes the most annoying, irritating, shallowest, lamest holiday commercials in the business.
You forgot wildly successful!
At this point, if Lexus sold less than 35k this month, it would be a surprise.
I guess 30-35k this month, and 350k this year are rather lame and shallow luxury car buyers.
Do you think Audi, BMW, and Mercedes need to work on being just that lame? And shallow?
Audi commercials. Those are lame!
Success is never lame. Unless it gets too predictable. Than Lexus may indeed be truly lame. I guess I see your point.
#21907 of 24726 Re: Anybody pick up this month's MT? [dewey]
Dec 06, 2006 (7:29 pm)
I am a perfect candidate for the coupe because I have no kids living at home. Besides, it is, IMO, the coolest looking BMW at the present time. Even known Bangle-bashers who post here have been moonlighting ( read: salivating) on the 335i thread and they ain't talkin' sedan.
If you had the coupe, I would indeed be interested. I do miss the dynamics of the incomparable 3-Series. The 545i is nice, but I do believe I would find the 335i coupe entirely more satisfying.
#21908 of 24726 Re: Anybody pick up this month's MT? [hpowders]
Dec 06, 2006 (7:39 pm)
If you had the coupe, I would indeed be interested. I do miss the dynamics of the incomparable 3-Series.
That is why my wife is driving the 5 series wagon. I prefer smaller cars and the 3 series is a perfect size for my family. My kids are still young and my wife is petit and I am 5 '9 ( 5'10 if you include my pointy hair).
#21909 of 24726 Re: Anybody pick up this month's MT? [syswei]
Dec 06, 2006 (7:39 pm)
Correct. A performance vehicle can only be taken seriously by true enthusiasts if it is offered with a manual transmission.
#21910 of 24726 Re: Anybody pick up this month's MT? [dewey]
Dec 06, 2006 (7:43 pm)
Well I can't quite imagine you with pointy hair , but I do miss my 3 Series.
The only fly in the ointment would be if my wife hounds me to death to get the new MDX instead, but I intend to put up a solid wall of resistance. Maybe it will work this time...for the first time.
#21911 of 24726 Re: BBC Top Gear Survey 2005 [dewey]
Dec 06, 2006 (7:49 pm)
Just passing along info Dewey. It wasn't necessarily meant for you. If you have no interest then I would suggest that you ignore it.
#21912 of 24726 Re: Anybody pick up this month's MT? [hpowders]
Dec 06, 2006 (7:52 pm)
Automatic transmissions are for pretenders.
Oh c'mon Howard when I was a younger (just a few months ago) I used to preach those very same words above. But I can assure you if you ever test drive a car with a DSG tranny you may end up changing your mind real fast.
I do row my own gears myself but I will not go so far as to call every auto tranny driver a pretender.