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You are in the Sedans
What is this discussion about?
Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
#21892 of 24726 BBC Top Gear Survey 2005
Dec 06, 2006 (1:35 pm)
76,050 people, 159 car models from 36 manufacturers-It's the U.K.'s biggest independent car satisfaction survey.
Top Gear Survey 2005- Each of the 76,050 viewers and readers who took part in our survey this year were asked to reveal how every aspect of the car ownership experience matched up to the expectations they had when they first took delivery of their vehicle. Each car is given an overall satisfaction score out of 100. This is made up from:
Build quality 22%
Driving experience 19%
Ownership costs 17%
Customer care 20%
Data analysis experts from Experian checked personal data and registration numbers to avoid faked entries. All cars included were built between 2002 and 2004.
If you want to see all the different results go to topgear.com
Here are some of the results pertinent to this board.
Overall Manufacturers Positions 1 thru 36
31. Land Rover
#21894 of 24726 Re: Anybody pick up this month's MT? [lexusguy]
Dec 06, 2006 (2:22 pm)
Well at least with BMW, you can get a subsidized lease to ease some of the pain, which you cannot do with Lexus vehicles.
Seems like Lexus wants you to buy their vehicles and BMW wants you to lease.
Whatever works. I'm happy to continue leasing BMW's-only no more 3 year leases. Perhaps the 335i coupe is next for 2 years and then a BMW diesel after that.
It's a tough life, but someones' got to do it!
#21895 of 24726 Re: BBC Top Gear Survey 2005 [houdini1]
Dec 06, 2006 (3:04 pm)
All cars included were built between 2002 and 2004.
We're into the 2007 model year already. While the results are certainly interesting, they are ancient history.
Just look at some of the major shifts and significant changes in the results of other studies over the years, and you can appreciate that these results basically offer little relevant validity at this late date, and only have historical value... or should I say hysterical value?
#21896 of 24726 Re: Anybody pick up this month's MT? [hpowders]
Dec 06, 2006 (3:09 pm)
Perhaps the 335i coupe is next for 2 years and then a BMW diesel after that.
It's a tough life, but someones' got to do it!
What a great idea! Who could find fault with that?
#21897 of 24726 Re: Anybody pick up this month's MT? [tagman]
Dec 06, 2006 (3:29 pm)
Well if the BMW diesels get here soon enough, I may have to bypass the 335i coupe.
Across the pond they have raved about the 335id coupe with the caveat that a new and more powerful BMW diesel coupe is due next year!
The only time I need AWD down here is after my kitchen floor tile has been washed and I lose my traction.
#21898 of 24726 Re: BBC Top Gear Survey 2005 [tagman]
Dec 06, 2006 (3:30 pm)
Wrong. The point of the test was to give the people time to live with these cars for a couple of years. Car owners can't immediately tell how well the car performs until they have owned it for a few years. The actual survey was done 1 year ago. If you want to predict the future, look at the past.
#21899 of 24726 Re: BBC Top Gear Survey 2005 [houdini1]
Dec 06, 2006 (3:46 pm)
If you want to predict the future, look at the past.
True, houdini... but, as you know, only to a limited degree when it comes to cars and certain technology. The innovations of technology and their relationship to automobiles is at an all-time high and will probably go even further, thus creating a situation where there is little to no previous footprints.
Trends, however, do seem to rise above the other ever-changing factors, and we can, therefore extrapolate a general sense of which brands ought to do well and which ones will more likely have issues.
BTW, I do appreciate the info, and your efforts to post it.
I just always take those studies with a big grain of salt, as you probably already know. I cancelled my subscription to CR, for example, long ago.
#21901 of 24726 Re: Anybody pick up this month's MT? [lexusguy]
Dec 06, 2006 (4:36 pm)
Edmunds has caught the IS-F 500 testing at the Nurburgring. According to them, it has 425hp, the 8-speed auto will be the only transmission, and the price is supposed to be around $50K. As we've suspected, it seems they are aiming at the C63 rather than directly at the M3, which I'm sure will have a MT.
A little off-topic, but interesting. The other little tidbit I picked up from the spy video was that the 8-speed will have paddle shifters. A small percentage may prefer that over the M3's stick, but the M3 ought to be safe, IMO.