High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#21752 of 24700 So by blkhemi Dec 03, 2006 (5:30 pm)
since there was no HELC vehicle named to the 10Best cars, should there be a sub-category made specifically for these vehicles? Now that the LS has different variants, it would be nice to have something like the "best premium large sedan of the year" award. There are plenty to choose from: S-Class- all variants LS460- all variants A8- all variants 7-Series- all variants XJ- all variants Q45 Quattroporte And since all of these vehicles start at the $60k mark or higher, the domestics don't meet critiria, altho the DTS is a very competent sedan in it's own right, particularly with the Performance Pack. And we'd have to omit the VW Phaeton as it's being discontinued. Also, with the onslaught of luxury SUV's out on the streets now, we'd have to make an additional category as follows: Caddy Escalade- all variants MB GL450 Lexus LX470 Acura MDX Audi Q7 Porsche Cayenne-all variants LR Range Rover(maybe even Rover Sport) Lincoln Navigator-all variants With these utes' in the 50's, I feel it's only right that we give'em a category. They create just as much(or more in some cases) foot trafficin the showrooms as their automobile counterparts.. What do you fellas think about this? Replies to this message: lexusguy (Dec 03, 2006 5:42 pm) blkhemi (Dec 03, 2006 6:05 pm) dhamilton (Dec 03, 2006 6:16 pm) lexusguy (Dec 04, 2006 6:01 am)
#21753 of 24700 Re: So [blkhemi] by lexusguy Dec 03, 2006 (5:42 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Dec 03, 2006 5:30 pm) Automobile covers the HELC category in their "all stars". C&D does cover premium SUVs in their "5 best trucks" list though. The Cadillac SRX has won the last few years. Replies to this message: blkhemi (Dec 03, 2006 6:05 pm) dhamilton (Dec 03, 2006 6:16 pm) lexusguy (Dec 04, 2006 6:01 am)
#21754 of 24700 Re: So [lexusguy] by blkhemi Dec 03, 2006 (6:05 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Dec 03, 2006 5:42 pm) Yeah, I guess to a point they cover the luxury SUV's. Interesting that they give the Caddy the nod all of time yet the very model they had in a long term test suffer major woes. Turning the other cheek, eh? But the SRX on the whole seems to be a pretty sturdy vehicle, judging from the solid satisfaction ratings. Replies to this message: dhamilton (Dec 03, 2006 6:16 pm) lexusguy (Dec 04, 2006 6:01 am)
#21755 of 24700 Re: So [blkhemi] by dhamilton Dec 03, 2006 (6:16 pm)
Replying to: blkhemi (Dec 03, 2006 6:05 pm) Yeah, so much for all the big 3 homers with their "the media is against GM" conspiracy theory.
#21756 of 24700 Re: Surprised [lexusguy] by dewey Dec 03, 2006 (7:00 pm)
Replying to: lexusguy (Dec 03, 2006 3:33 pm) did find it interesting that no LPS made it this time though. The overall LPS segment is shrinking in terms of volume and importance just like the upper middle class population is shrinking in North America. With the higher degree of polarization of wealth in our two countries it is no surprise at all that both the econobox segment(Yaris, Fit, Versa) and the higher end luxury segment( S Class, LS LWB) are booming simultaneously. In fact the fastest demand growth are for ultra-exotic performance vehicles like Audi R8s, Lambos and Ferarris. A segment that caters to the exceptionally rich whose wealth happens to be growing the fastest among North Americans. Walmart/Gap sales are disappointing while Tiffany and Saks sales are booming. Evidently the polarization that is evident in the automotive industry is also evident in the retail industry. Replies to this message: dewey (Dec 04, 2006 4:26 am)
#21759 of 24700 Re: Colors [esf] by dewey Dec 03, 2006 (7:53 pm)
Replying to: esf (Dec 02, 2006 7:01 pm) Congratulations ESF for your A8 decision. You and your wife made the right decision about the car as you will make the right decision about the colour. My suggestion is dont care about resale values or what others think about what colour is best. You already know what is best. Picking a colour based on expected resale values makes no sense. Have you noticed in Tagman's post that the most popular colour silver is declining in popularity while blue/gray is growing in popularity. Who knows by the time you sell the A8 silver will be an eyesore while blue may be most popular in terms of resale values? Replies to this message: esf (Dec 07, 2006 7:16 pm)
#21760 of 24700 You no.... by drfill Dec 03, 2006 (8:52 pm)
You can easily make the case that a 2007 A8 would've won that C&D comparo, with the new 350HP engine. But you'd also have to make the case that the LS460 is not as good as the LS430, which beat these vehicles before, which doesn't make sense. I don't know anymore. DrFill
#21761 of 24700 Re: Surprised [dewey] by dewey Dec 04, 2006 (4:26 am)
Replying to: dewey (Dec 03, 2006 7:00 pm) OK I will admit #21756 is not one of my better posts. It is a lot of babble that cannot be substantiated. But the fact is the middle tier market for cars/autos is growing slowest while the lowest tier and higest tier are growing fastest. Mistakenly my prior post includes LPS as middle tier. That is not the case at all and I apologize for that.