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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: oac (Nov 30, 2006 10:36 pm) How do you stand these days with your LS 460 quest? I remember reading your plan a few months ago but you know how things change. After all, here you are showing up with sporty cars on the brain. Here’s my response: 1 – The Boxster S is definitely the more fun car but if your wife is like mine she would probably want the BMW so I understand where that might be coming from. Aside from this the cars are night and day. Of course the Porsche is the thoroughbred sports car. 2 – You mentioned 330ci but seemed to imply it is a convertible which is the 330cic. At that price for the convertible it seems like a good deal. If it’s the coupe then it seems around full retail and not a good deal. 3 – Although $35K is what the dealer might ask for the Boxster S, I think it’s overpriced. Boxsters are to be had at bargains because they make a lot of them and they depreciate fairly quickly when new. I think that car could be had at around $32K from the dealer and $30K from an individual. I hear So Cal is murder on car prices though. 4 – Dhamilton mentioned considering the S2000. Yes I agree with that and you can pick one up brand spankin’ new for under $30K and it is indeed reliable and drives great. However, the drawbacks are size, cargo space, noise and a peaky engine. IMO, you can drive comfortably all day in Boxster but the S2000 is apt to wear you out, especially the passenger. It's also a very pure driver's car but the Boxster is definitely the well-rounded car. S2000 is not available with an automatic though. 5 – On the Boxster S with Tiptronic. Lots of people are anti Tip but if you absolutely HAVE to have it for some reason just go with it because it is still a fun car. It zaps torque in auto mode because of relatively high gearing and low RPM shift points but you can always use manual mode if inclined. It is not a smooth transmission like the BMW’s and it starts in 2nd gear unless pushed with the throttle. Having said this, I encourage you to get the manual transmission if possible. Also, the Tip depreciates more and they say it is harder to sell. 6 – Warranties. With both the Boxster and BMW make sure get a CPO and if not, knock that price down. Cars from that year might even come with original warranty left. Hope this helps. |
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Replying to: jcoby (Dec 01, 2006 12:32 pm)  It would have been much clearer if I had indicated the specific category Toyota was worse in. Good work, and I appreciate the clarity that your post will bring. You should be aware that after posting the actual article about the IIHS study, and Toyota's results, I believe I always referred to Toyota's "lower" overall rating as being relative to itself, which, IMO, is exactly what the article meant for it to mean. I am quite certain you will agree that I was consistently clear on this point. Regardless, the bottom line is still the same, as you know I have been saying repeatedly throughout these posts. IMO, an excellent job, jcoby, of untangling the confusion.  TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 1:03 pm) How many people know THAT? Funny how Toyota/Lexus has fooled so many for so long. ... That statement was posted well BEFORE I ever posted any actual article referencing the highway safety study OK, so if the statement wasn't based on the IIHS study, what was it based on? Blind faith in German superiority in all things, including safety?
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Replying to: syswei (Dec 01, 2006 1:21 pm) Regardless, even now, the bottom line doesn't change. Surely that must be clear enough for you now! Or do I need an attorney?   TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 1:23 pm) |
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Oh my !!! I got here a few minutes ago and had to wade thro' 5 pages of posts... this is surely a busy forum Let me thank DHamilton, TagMan, D-Man, and Houdini1 for all of your comments... Tag, I have surely been way behind this forum so forgive my question here: Did you ditch the Lotus for the 911 ? Or did you add the latter to the stable ? Either way, you (and Dewey) must be flowing in $$$$ ponying up serious jack for these cars... Good job, guys. D-Man, many thanks for the detailed write-up, just like Tag. You guys are just da best... I plan to drive the Boxster (see, Tag, I got it right, eh?) this weekend. I am NOT sold on auto/tip... I'd prefer an MT for sure, so I'd hold out for the 6-MT Boxster S or a 5-MT 330CiC w/SP. That S2000 doesn't sound too bad, but its I-4 motor is way too peaky and high revving. Plus the Boxster or BMW just have better looks and feel than a Honda. I will also be looking around for better deals, except that here in San Diego, its slim pickings for lux cars. You kinda get fleeced, so I may head to LA where the choices and bargains are plentiful. I can say I am definitely leaning towards the Porsche. Looks like its gonna be a lotta fun car, and with D-Man and Tag giving the car 2 thumbs up, that's good enough for me I will keep you all updated on what I end up with and when I pull the trigger. Thanks... and huge props to syswei who created this new HELC and the forum seems to be doing real great. Even Howard is being a real gentleman no longer rabid-rouser, eh ? Dewey, did you notice my use of eh ? I am Canadian you know, but now live in the sunshine state. Like Tag told you, you'd love it here in Cali; here in San Diego, you have the beach to the West, the mountains/snow to the East, and Mexico to the South, just in case you wanna party in Tijuana The best of all worlds, I tell you. Come down for a visit and you'd never leave again. Take care all... Keep it cool and real. I'll be back soon.
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Replying to: oac (Dec 01, 2006 2:39 pm) Always there for my fellow Californian...you are very welcome, oac. Tag, I have surely been way behind this forum so forgive my question here: Did you ditch the Lotus for the 911 ? Or did you add the latter to the stable? Ditched the Lotus. Injured my neck (not from the car), and the Lotus's ride (truckloads of fun) was WAY too brutal, so the Porsche is MUCH smoother. Lost a little $$$ in the process due to the extremely early trade, but in the end, I'm happy as can be with the Porsche..."There is no substitute!" Keep it cool and real. I'll be back soon. Hope so, and counting on it. Good luck and keep us posted. Can't wait to hear the outcome. TagMan |
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Replying to: oac (Dec 01, 2006 2:39 pm) The pills must be starting to work! Good luck in your negotiation for the Porsche. Whoa! I thought Florida is the "sunshine state." Aren't you guys the "golden state?" I've been to San Diego many times-love Balboa Park, the great zoo and especially the wonderful Hotel del Coronado. But always start missing the palmetto bugs, 'gators, lousy football and baseball after a week or so and trudge back east to Florida. |
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