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24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: hpowders (Dec 01, 2006 12:06 pm) you bet it is.  TagMan
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Dec 01, 2006 8:00 am) How did they manage to test that? Drive each car into a 20 inch thick steel wall from 70 mph? I didn't read the article. So which car broke first?
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Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 12:08 pm) |
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Replying to: hpowders (Dec 01, 2006 12:09 pm) 
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Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 11:44 am) I must kindly note, however, that the way that you phrased your rant does not appear to allude to the "bottom line as being relative to itself." I have highlighted the words that you previously stated that would lead a reasonable person to conclude that you are comparing Toyota Motor Co. (and its Lexus brand) to other manufacturers and not solely to itself. "Toyota Motor Co. practically owns the list for the worst vehicles when it comes to safety. They have more unsafe vehicles at the top of the least-safe category than any other manufacturer in the world. How many people know THAT? Funny how Toyota/Lexus has fooled so many for so long." Since I do not reside in Tagman's head, I cannot fully discredit your assertion that you were comparing Toyota to itself and not to other makes. However, if this is true, your sentence should have been more carefully structured to make your personal interpretation clearer to other forum members. Your statement seems to clearly imply that Toyota has more of the least safe (or lowest rated; to be interpreted as a "Poor" rating) vehicles than any other manufacturer on planet Earth - which of course is patently false according to the IIHS itself.
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Replying to: oac (Nov 30, 2006 10:36 pm) How do you stand these days with your LS 460 quest? I remember reading your plan a few months ago but you know how things change. After all, here you are showing up with sporty cars on the brain. Here’s my response: 1 – The Boxster S is definitely the more fun car but if your wife is like mine she would probably want the BMW so I understand where that might be coming from. Aside from this the cars are night and day. Of course the Porsche is the thoroughbred sports car. 2 – You mentioned 330ci but seemed to imply it is a convertible which is the 330cic. At that price for the convertible it seems like a good deal. If it’s the coupe then it seems around full retail and not a good deal. 3 – Although $35K is what the dealer might ask for the Boxster S, I think it’s overpriced. Boxsters are to be had at bargains because they make a lot of them and they depreciate fairly quickly when new. I think that car could be had at around $32K from the dealer and $30K from an individual. I hear So Cal is murder on car prices though. 4 – Dhamilton mentioned considering the S2000. Yes I agree with that and you can pick one up brand spankin’ new for under $30K and it is indeed reliable and drives great. However, the drawbacks are size, cargo space, noise and a peaky engine. IMO, you can drive comfortably all day in Boxster but the S2000 is apt to wear you out, especially the passenger. It's also a very pure driver's car but the Boxster is definitely the well-rounded car. S2000 is not available with an automatic though. 5 – On the Boxster S with Tiptronic. Lots of people are anti Tip but if you absolutely HAVE to have it for some reason just go with it because it is still a fun car. It zaps torque in auto mode because of relatively high gearing and low RPM shift points but you can always use manual mode if inclined. It is not a smooth transmission like the BMW’s and it starts in 2nd gear unless pushed with the throttle. Having said this, I encourage you to get the manual transmission if possible. Also, the Tip depreciates more and they say it is harder to sell. 6 – Warranties. With both the Boxster and BMW make sure get a CPO and if not, knock that price down. Cars from that year might even come with original warranty left. Hope this helps. |
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Replying to: jcoby (Dec 01, 2006 12:32 pm)  It would have been much clearer if I had indicated the specific category Toyota was worse in. Good work, and I appreciate the clarity that your post will bring. You should be aware that after posting the actual article about the IIHS study, and Toyota's results, I believe I always referred to Toyota's "lower" overall rating as being relative to itself, which, IMO, is exactly what the article meant for it to mean. I am quite certain you will agree that I was consistently clear on this point. Regardless, the bottom line is still the same, as you know I have been saying repeatedly throughout these posts. IMO, an excellent job, jcoby, of untangling the confusion.  TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 1:03 pm) How many people know THAT? Funny how Toyota/Lexus has fooled so many for so long. ... That statement was posted well BEFORE I ever posted any actual article referencing the highway safety study OK, so if the statement wasn't based on the IIHS study, what was it based on? Blind faith in German superiority in all things, including safety?
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Replying to: syswei (Dec 01, 2006 1:21 pm) Regardless, even now, the bottom line doesn't change. Surely that must be clear enough for you now! Or do I need an attorney?   TagMan
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