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24699 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: jcoby (Dec 01, 2006 4:05 am) |
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Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 7:53 am) Keep spinning. IIHS introduced a new criteria that practically snags everyone except for perhaps a few Swedish models. How does that affect the relative ranking of Lexus vs. MB vs. BMW at all??
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Dec 01, 2006 8:25 am) Not exactly. The significant difference is that the L stands for long wheelbase. The S550 is a long wheelbase vehicle by default, so when comparing the LS to the S550, the LS460L is the logical choice. The long wheelbase model will perform differently, so the test comparo data would be more meaningful and revealing of the true differences between the models had the LS460L been used. TagMan
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Replying to: brightness04 (Dec 01, 2006 8:44 am) You keep spinning. Be brighter, brightness. the bottom line is that Toyota/Lexus's OVERALL rating is now officially lower.. That statement means lower overall as compared to its own previous rating prior to the additional criteria. It is the additional study's results that lowered Toyota's overall rating... relative to itself, not other vehicles. It is entirely possible for a vehicle to get a lower score than it previously had and still be ahead of some others. In this case, that is exactly what has happened to Toyota/Lexus. This is not hard to understand. TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 9:06 am) This test was misleading and worse than meaningless. Please hold off on your crowing until a real LS 460L can be compared.
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Replying to: syswei (Dec 01, 2006 8:26 am) Your perspective is fine, but I think some of the others may have misunderstood the meaning of the article's bottom line. The bottom line is the same and will not change no matter what any of us say. Due specifically to it's bad showing in the latest study, Toyota/Lexus's newest overall rating has become lower than it used to be. That's just the way it is. TagMan |
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Replying to: houdini1 (Dec 01, 2006 9:22 am) I think everyone here looks forward to all the comps. The more the better, as it will give us all a broader consensus view of the differences between these HELCs. Some negative attributes of the LS appear to be true already, but certainly it will be interesting to see if the future tests redeem those issues somehow. I have no problem with that. I'm good with whatever the results are... even if they ultimately suggest that the LS460L kicks the S550 in the butt, although I personally doubt that it ever will. It won't bother me a bit. I'm not going to buy an LS no matter what the test results, so if they are horrible or great, no problem for me. I do believe, however, that those results might help others to make an important purchase decision. TagMan |
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Replying to: jcoby (Dec 01, 2006 7:19 am) Yup and so does Lexus as Blkhemi pointed out: Now that $459/mth '06 LS430 sounds extremely good right about now.... Unfortunately I was not able to get a good lease deal or a purchase price discount on my BMW335i. I envy you folks down south for your great auto deals. Here in Canada we have higher MSRPs, higher invoice pricing and not so tempting lease terms when compared to the USA. Here in Canada it is tough to get deals on cars like the MB CL, SL, BMW 6 Series and ofcourse the MB S Class since these cars have very low dealer turn rates . In fact the only cars that sell faster than these luxury cars are Yarises, Fits and Accents. Good luck in trying to get a good deal among the above mentioned cars. Especially if you are Canadian 
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Replying to: dewey (Dec 01, 2006 9:40 am)  TagMan
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Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 9:42 am) And buying the car from the USA and bringing it to Canada can be a real headache. Duty/customs costs in terms of time and money, warranty issues and metric conversions.
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