High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#21671 of 24700 Re: And...continuing to stay on topic [2001gs430] by tagman Dec 01, 2006 (8:05 am)
Replying to: 2001gs430 (Dec 01, 2006 8:00 am) Back on topic, according to R & T Magazine, the LS460 is on even footing with the S550 in their performance tests, except for the breaking distance. The tested LS is almost 40K cheaper. Was that on a short LS460 or a long-wheelbase LS460L? Because only the LS460L can appropriately be compared to the S550. The price would be much closer and the performance results completely different for the LS460L... Afterall, the LS460 and LS460L do not have the same performance specs. TagMan Replies to this message: syswei (Dec 01, 2006 8:09 am) tagman (Dec 01, 2006 8:16 am) 2001gs430 (Dec 01, 2006 8:25 am) tagman (Dec 01, 2006 9:06 am) houdini1 (Dec 01, 2006 9:22 am) and 1 more...
#21672 of 24700 Re: IIHS, Reuters, Bloomberg [tagman] by syswei Dec 01, 2006 (8:08 am)
Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 7:53 am) the bottom line is that Toyota/Lexus's OVERALL rating is now officially lower... a small dent in the Toyota/Lexus bubble. Absolutely, it is lower with the new tests than it was before. But is it lower than how people on this board perceived Lexus to be, safetywise, before ever looking at the IIHS data? I doubt it. Few here would have seen Lexus as producing safer sedans than say, MB. Certainly none of the germancarfans. Yet even with the "now officially lower" safety ratings, Lexus sedans look safer than MB's! Tell me you're not surprised by that. Replies to this message: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 8:13 am) syswei (Dec 01, 2006 8:26 am) tagman (Dec 01, 2006 9:30 am)
#21673 of 24700 Re: And...continuing to stay on topic [tagman] by syswei Dec 01, 2006 (8:09 am)
Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 8:05 am) only the LS460L can appropriately be compared to the S550. And the results can not be the same. The LS460 and LS460L do not have the same performance specs. When MB gets around to introducing an S450, it follows that we should then ignore any comparo of the LS460 to the S550, including the C&D comparo, right? Replies to this message: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 8:16 am)
#21674 of 24700 Re: IIHS, Reuters, Bloomberg [syswei] by tagman Dec 01, 2006 (8:13 am)
Replying to: syswei (Dec 01, 2006 8:08 am) In my opinion the article did not give the full picture of all the manufacturers and how they compare to one another. The article was focused on the fact that Toyota/Lexus's overall rating was now worse than it had been prior to the new test study, essentially a dig at toyota, IMO, for having most of the worst ratings in that particular study. That's how I see it. TagMan Replies to this message: syswei (Dec 01, 2006 8:26 am) tagman (Dec 01, 2006 9:30 am)
#21675 of 24700 Safety by mikeivan Dec 01, 2006 (8:15 am)
Ratings aside, those brake test results for the 460 are unacceptable. A deal breaker for me, we will stay with the wife's LS 430, thank you. (see how I used both brake and break in the same post, correctly, I think).
#21676 of 24700 Re: And...continuing to stay on topic [syswei] by tagman Dec 01, 2006 (8:16 am)
Replying to: syswei (Dec 01, 2006 8:09 am) It is not uncommon to compare apples to oranges, but like that crash test, you need to look carefully at the data and understand what is REALLY going on. It is more logical to compare similar vehicles, when possible, IMO. TagMan
#21677 of 24700 Re: And...continuing to stay on topic [tagman] by 2001gs430 Dec 01, 2006 (8:25 am)
Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 8:05 am) It was the regular LS. Why are two cars not comparable? The LS460L is simply the more luxury version of the LS, so it is actually not logical going to LWB and expect better performance. You should be looking for better luxuries... Replies to this message: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 9:06 am) houdini1 (Dec 01, 2006 9:22 am) tagman (Dec 01, 2006 9:39 am)
#21678 of 24700 Re: For the record [dhamilton] by houdini1 Dec 01, 2006 (8:25 am)
Replying to: dhamilton (Dec 01, 2006 7:32 am) Yep, good fun. I was really steamed over those jabs at grandma, but I am over it now. My wife tells me that I can never stay mad very long at anything or anybody. She is right. Somehow she seems to be able to hold a grudge forever.
#21679 of 24700 Re: IIHS, Reuters, Bloomberg [tagman] by syswei Dec 01, 2006 (8:26 am)
Replying to: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 8:13 am) a dig at toyota, IMO, for having most of the worst ratings in that particular study The point I tried to make in this post is that TMC didn't have "the worst ratings" for rear crashworthiness. It had the worst rear crashworthiness ratings among the subset of cars that had TOP marks for front and side crashworthiness. Replies to this message: tagman (Dec 01, 2006 9:30 am)
#21680 of 24700 Re: 330Ci or Boxter S - priced similar [oac] by houdini1 Dec 01, 2006 (8:36 am)
Replying to: oac (Nov 30, 2006 10:36 pm) Oac, once you drive these a little I don't think you will need any advice. I predict you will fall in love with the Boxster. Gool luck and let us know. Pics if possible.