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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan



Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.



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Re: Ahhhh [2001gs430] by jcoby
Dec 01, 2006 (6:03 am)
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Dec 01, 2006 6:00 am)

Thank you very much
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Syswei by drfill
Dec 01, 2006 (6:04 am)
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Good job breaking down the crast test article.
 
   Considering the price difference, shouldn't Mercedes be doing everything better than Lexus, and not the other way around?
 
   DrFill
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Re: and on safety... [syswei] by 2001gs430
Dec 01, 2006 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: syswei (Dec 01, 2006 4:25 am)

Very good syswei, this will put a stop the rants about Toyota/Lexus making unsafe vehicles.
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Re: And...continuing to stay on topic [jcoby] by hpowders
Dec 01, 2006 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: jcoby (Dec 01, 2006 5:45 am)

I have no live-in kids in a relatively safe suburban area, so I guess I am an ideal leasing candidate.
But, I can surely understand your potential anxiety.
 
My last BMW had a scratch put on it (probably from a Lexophile) of about 2 inches in length. They didn't bother me about it.
But they do expect new or almost new tires, so now I put them on 2 years into the lease so at least I get some use out of the tires in year 3, whether I need them or not.
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MB Special Lease Rates by jcoby
Dec 01, 2006 (7:19 am)
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Mercedes-Benz has some phenomenal lease rates featured on their website - perhaps even more competitive than BMW's:
 
link title
 
All for only 27 months! Unfortunately, the S550 is not included - but I would not expect it to offer special lease rates this early in its current model run.
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For the record by dhamilton
Dec 01, 2006 (7:32 am)
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As much as I run my pie hole on this thread, I can ill afford to start taking offense at things not directed at me. Just commenting on the fact that, indeed, insults were flying early in the morning.
 
 I enjoy the Hpowers needling of the Lexites, as well as the Drfill jabs at us. [German geeks] I just went at it with Houdini and his lovely grandmother for goodness sakes. Please don't worry about me being offended.
 
 And now back to our regularly scheduled roasting......
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Re: IIHS, Reuters, Bloomberg [syswei] by tagman
Dec 01, 2006 (7:53 am)
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Replying to: syswei (Dec 01, 2006 4:14 am)

It is a list of the otherwise (meaning front and side) very safe cars, that were poor in rear crashworthiness.
 
Are we still on this? Yes, that is correct, and the bottom line is that Toyota/Lexus's OVERALL rating is now officially lower... a small dent in the Toyota/Lexus bubble.
 
TagMan
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Re: Ahhhh [jcoby] by tagman
Dec 01, 2006 (7:57 am)
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Replying to: jcoby (Dec 01, 2006 5:31 am)

Sometimes passion gets in the way of reason, and that is understandable from time to time.
 
Especially when buying cars!
 
But it is best to stay with the reason when posting, please.
 
TagMan
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Re: And...continuing to stay on topic [hpowders] by 2001gs430
Dec 01, 2006 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: hpowders (Dec 01, 2006 7:04 am)

The good thing about leasing is that you don't have to worry about the car's long term reliability, but you have to live with some annoying restrictions like the amount of miles you can drive, extra insurance obligation, and as mentioned before the up keeping of the vehicle at end of lease...
Back on topic, according to R & T Magazine, the LS460 is on even footing with the S550 in their performance tests, except for the breaking distance. The tested LS is almost 40K cheaper.
 
LS460 ............. S550
0−60 mph
5.6 sec ............. 5.7
0−¼ mile
14.0 sec ............. 14.2
Top speed
130 mph* ............. 130
Skidpad
0.80g ............. 0.80
Slalom
59.9 mph ............. 60.1
 
Minimum stopping distance
From 60 mph 143 ft ........... 130 ft
From 80 mph 251 ft ........... 229 ft
Total swept area 554 sq in. ........... 580 sq in.
Swept area/ton 248 sq in. ........... 246
 
Idle in neutral 38 dBA ........ 48 dBA
Maximum in 1st gear 66 dBA ........ 66 dBA
Constant 50 mph 61 dBA ........ 62 dBA
Constant 70 mph 65 dBA ........ 66 dBA
 
test conditions
Temperature 101˚ F .......... 65
Humidity 29% ........... 19
Elevation 350 ft .......... same
Wind calm ............ same
Location Irvine, California .......... same
 
Turning circle 35.4 ft .......... 40.0 ft
Price as tested $67015 ......... $106745
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Re: Ahhhh [hpowders] by tagman
Dec 01, 2006 (8:01 am)
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Replying to: hpowders (Dec 01, 2006 5:37 am)

I do believe I have the reputation of being a mild irritant around here.
 
Impossible!
 
TagMan

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