High End Luxury Cars

24699 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#21588 of 24699 Re: Tag [dewey] by jcoby Nov 30, 2006 (7:32 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 7:03 pm) "In fact that would be almost as ludicrous as saying Toyotas do not have the largest number of least safe autos based on prior year safety ratings." What data did you base this conjecture on; it is not supported by the IIHS. Again, the rear-crash protection results are only one of several tests performed by the IIHS and do not invalidate any of the other tests performed by the IIHS. The Toyota/Lexus vehicles in question all have "Good" ratings in every type of crash test EXCEPT for rear-end protection (just like several competing European models), so I do not know how you would conclude that Toyota/Lexus has the largest number of unsafe vehicles when even the IIHS has not even made such a statement. Replies to this message: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 7:37 pm) syswei (Nov 30, 2006 7:45 pm) dewey (Nov 30, 2006 7:53 pm) tagman (Nov 30, 2006 7:51 pm) dewey (Nov 30, 2006 7:57 pm) and 3 more... jcoby (Nov 30, 2006 8:25 pm)
#21589 of 24699 Re: High end Luxury Comparison [shop123] by dewey Nov 30, 2006 (7:32 pm)
Replying to: shop123 (Nov 30, 2006 7:26 pm) I had a BMW 745Li that was a constant headache. I can understand your bitterness towards BMW. I would feel the same way if I had a lemon like yours. Fortunately I have been a very satisfied owner of BMWs for over eight years. I guess it has something to do with the fact that I never owned a 7 series. Nor do I have any desire to own a 7 series.
#21590 of 24699 IIHS by syswei Nov 30, 2006 (7:36 pm)
The ratings of OVERALL crash safety in their "large luxury cars" category: link title 1. Audi A6 2. Lexus GS 3. Infiniti M35/M45 4. Mercedes E class 5. Cadillac DTS 6. Volvo S80 7. BMW 5 series 8. Acura RL 9. Lincoln Town Car 10. Cadillac CTS 11. Cadillac STS
#21591 of 24699 Tag by drfill Nov 30, 2006 (7:37 pm)
Mellow out with the shouting, dude. I never doubted you, just thought I'd ask what's that about? My official response is, if I were Toyota/Lexus, I'd take a "poor" rating, and work on that like a weakness or disease. A "marginal" or "acceptable" rating is nothing to write articles about. Tag, Two Tings! First Ting is I think some blok in Salt Lake got you to read his article by throwing "Toyota" and "anything bad" into the title. And my soupy #2 is check the front end of Toyota/Lexus cars, where the vast majority of accidents occur. Nothing less than a top mark. Not one. Toyota, and Lexus, know what they're doing. They sleep very soundly. Damn, so do I! Cool! DrFill
#21592 of 24699 Re: Tag [jcoby] by dewey Nov 30, 2006 (7:37 pm)
Replying to: jcoby (Nov 30, 2006 7:32 pm) My conjecture is based on their overall ratings as mentioned below. Toyota Motor Corp., whose vehicles earn top marks for buyer satisfaction, has more models than any other automaker ranked at the bottom of a crash-protection study. Replies to this message: syswei (Nov 30, 2006 7:45 pm) dewey (Nov 30, 2006 7:53 pm) tagman (Nov 30, 2006 7:51 pm) dewey (Nov 30, 2006 7:57 pm) tagman (Nov 30, 2006 8:30 pm) jcoby (Nov 30, 2006 8:42 pm) brightness04 (Nov 30, 2006 11:32 pm) jcoby (Nov 30, 2006 8:25 pm)
#21593 of 24699 Re: High end Luxury Comparison [shop123] by anthonyp Nov 30, 2006 (7:39 pm)
Replying to: shop123 (Nov 30, 2006 7:26 pm) You may want to check out the Lexus with the sportier suspension, which may improve the driving experience...A few years ago I think it was called `European Suspension` On my last Lexus I had the air suspension, and as far as I could tell it did not improve the experience, just firmed it up a bit...Good Luck, and if I were in your position I would surely check out the dealership of whichever car I were to get....Tony Replies to this message: shop123 (Nov 30, 2006 7:45 pm) esf (Nov 30, 2006 8:20 pm) shop123 (Nov 30, 2006 8:24 pm) and 1 more...
#21594 of 24699 IIHS part 2 by syswei Nov 30, 2006 (7:41 pm)
And for their "midsize luxury/near luxury cars": link title 1. Audi A4 2. Saab 9-3 3. Lexus IS 4. BMW 3 series 5. Lexus ES 350 6. Acura TL 7. Volvo S60 8. Mercedes C class 9. Saab 9-5 10. Acura TSX 11. Lincoln MKZ 12. Jaguar X-Type Blkhemi, in view of the results for the C and E as compared to Lexus models, I wonder if you are still confident that the S is safer than the LS?
#21595 of 24699 Hp by drfill Nov 30, 2006 (7:41 pm)
Point of clarification: "DOH" Do you mean the word as used by James Finlayson, mister double-take, in the old Laurel and Hardy flicks as a sign of exasperation or do you actually mean "duh" which needs no explanation. A small ting, but I really would like to know Actually, it's more of a play on words, as I mean "Though", but would like to say it like "DOH!" (Homer Simpson). DrFill Replies to this message: hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 8:12 pm)
#21596 of 24699 Re: High end Luxury Comparison [anthonyp] by shop123 Nov 30, 2006 (7:45 pm)
Replying to: anthonyp (Nov 30, 2006 7:39 pm) thanks, I already checked that out and I am definitely getting the sport suspension (only available on the L). It still is lack luster compared to the BMW and MB. My current dilemma is deciding on the Touring Package which comes with 19" wheels and high friction breaks. I don't know how much difference they will make. And, it is 120 days out for production. In addition, you can't get the Touring Package AND the Luxury Package. For some reason, Lexus thinks you have to make a choice. I don't quite understand it. MB doesn't have that problem. Replies to this message: esf (Nov 30, 2006 8:20 pm) shop123 (Nov 30, 2006 8:24 pm) esf (Dec 01, 2006 5:23 am)
#21597 of 24699 Re: Tag [dewey] by syswei Nov 30, 2006 (7:45 pm)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 7:37 pm) Toyota Motor Corp., whose vehicles earn top marks for buyer satisfaction, has more models than any other automaker ranked at the bottom of a crash-protection study. That's at the bottom of the REAR IMPACT crash study, NOT the OVERALL crash study. Replies to this message: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 7:53 pm)