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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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What was said is that the acres of GM-grade hard plastic can be acceptable in a 300C HEMI at a pricepoint of 32k. It is grossly unacceptable on a $61k car, let alone a fully-plushed $92k model. Definitely don't want to read a post like that more than once. It will definitely have to be rewritten, and neutered! You are implying the interior plastics of the LS ape those of the 300. Having driven both cars, I know you are wrong. That was your point, no? The two cars do not belong in the same sentence. Period.  Funny how you can't spell the word "credibility"...... Please move on. DrFill |
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I had a BMW 745Li that was a constant headache. After a grueling Lemon Law process, BMW was forced to take the vehicle back  . It was an electronic nightmare. The vehicle drove better than ANY luxury car on the market. HOWEVER, if you are at all interested in the electronics being reliable & functional - skip the BMW. The service history was appalling (at least 1-2 visits a month). The car was in the shop more than it was out. And, the icing on the cake...BMW feels that the number of repairs is a resaonable sacrifice to make for the "Ultimate Driving Machine". Give me a break. They can't fix the car and make no apologies! They have had the same problems with their vehicles for YEARS, and have no desire to correct them. In my search for a replacement vehicle, I have narrowed it down to the Lexus LS460 L and the MB S550. The MB is more impressive for handling, but it is $15K more than the Lexus with less options. In addition, I am factoring in the reliability, service history and consumer satisfaction ratings. At the present time, Lexus takes the cake, hands down. Unfortunately, I will have to sacrifice a few things. The body roll and responsiveness of the vehicle are disappointing. There is no "perfect car". You have to sacrifice something. I think each person has to draw their own lines at what that will be.
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 7:03 pm) What data did you base this conjecture on; it is not supported by the IIHS. Again, the rear-crash protection results are only one of several tests performed by the IIHS and do not invalidate any of the other tests performed by the IIHS. The Toyota/Lexus vehicles in question all have "Good" ratings in every type of crash test EXCEPT for rear-end protection (just like several competing European models), so I do not know how you would conclude that Toyota/Lexus has the largest number of unsafe vehicles when even the IIHS has not even made such a statement.
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Replying to: shop123 (Nov 30, 2006 7:26 pm) I can understand your bitterness towards BMW. I would feel the same way if I had a lemon like yours. Fortunately I have been a very satisfied owner of BMWs for over eight years. I guess it has something to do with the fact that I never owned a 7 series. Nor do I have any desire to own a 7 series. |
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The ratings of OVERALL crash safety in their "large luxury cars" category: link title 1. Audi A6 2. Lexus GS 3. Infiniti M35/M45 4. Mercedes E class 5. Cadillac DTS 6. Volvo S80 7. BMW 5 series 8. Acura RL 9. Lincoln Town Car 10. Cadillac CTS 11. Cadillac STS |
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Mellow out with the shouting, dude.  I never doubted you, just thought I'd ask what's that about? My official response is, if I were Toyota/Lexus, I'd take a "poor" rating, and work on that like a weakness or disease. A "marginal" or "acceptable" rating is nothing to write articles about. Tag, Two Tings! First Ting is I think some blok in Salt Lake got you to read his article by throwing "Toyota" and "anything bad" into the title. And my soupy #2 is check the front end of Toyota/Lexus cars, where the vast majority of accidents occur. Nothing less than a top mark. Not one. Toyota, and Lexus, know what they're doing. They sleep very soundly. Damn, so do I! Cool!  DrFill |
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Replying to: jcoby (Nov 30, 2006 7:32 pm) Toyota Motor Corp., whose vehicles earn top marks for buyer satisfaction, has more models than any other automaker ranked at the bottom of a crash-protection study. |
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Replying to: shop123 (Nov 30, 2006 7:26 pm)
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And for their "midsize luxury/near luxury cars": link title 1. Audi A4 2. Saab 9-3 3. Lexus IS 4. BMW 3 series 5. Lexus ES 350 6. Acura TL 7. Volvo S60 8. Mercedes C class 9. Saab 9-5 10. Acura TSX 11. Lincoln MKZ 12. Jaguar X-Type Blkhemi, in view of the results for the C and E as compared to Lexus models, I wonder if you are still confident that the S is safer than the LS? |
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