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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 6:55 pm) Bottom line... a crack in the Toyota/Lexus armor... the bubble is leaking. Shouldn't you be saying the same about BMW? It didn't fare so well in rear crash ratings either. |
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I found Tagman`s pictures of the S vs LS dash to be a good guide, and wonder what your thoughts are on the comparison??? Anyway just a faint supporter of the LS and a strong supporter of you Tony Thanks for the luv, Tony! Where would I be without my people, my fans? Probably building a new LS board!  I am no fan of the 7's interior, and the S apes the 7 a little too much for my taste. If you're looking for something new, or better, don't look thur! BMW should be oh so flattered. If anyone wants to see a real interior, just check out pages 28 & 29 of this month's C&D. You can say what you want, but at the end of the day, Lexus can sell the hell out of a car! That Kool-Aid sure is refreshing right about now! Ahhhhhhhh! Sweet!  DrFill |
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 7:03 pm) |
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 6:51 pm) |
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What was said is that the acres of GM-grade hard plastic can be acceptable in a 300C HEMI at a pricepoint of 32k. It is grossly unacceptable on a $61k car, let alone a fully-plushed $92k model. Definitely don't want to read a post like that more than once. It will definitely have to be rewritten, and neutered! You are implying the interior plastics of the LS ape those of the 300. Having driven both cars, I know you are wrong. That was your point, no? The two cars do not belong in the same sentence. Period.  Funny how you can't spell the word "credibility"...... Please move on. DrFill |
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I had a BMW 745Li that was a constant headache. After a grueling Lemon Law process, BMW was forced to take the vehicle back  . It was an electronic nightmare. The vehicle drove better than ANY luxury car on the market. HOWEVER, if you are at all interested in the electronics being reliable & functional - skip the BMW. The service history was appalling (at least 1-2 visits a month). The car was in the shop more than it was out. And, the icing on the cake...BMW feels that the number of repairs is a resaonable sacrifice to make for the "Ultimate Driving Machine". Give me a break. They can't fix the car and make no apologies! They have had the same problems with their vehicles for YEARS, and have no desire to correct them. In my search for a replacement vehicle, I have narrowed it down to the Lexus LS460 L and the MB S550. The MB is more impressive for handling, but it is $15K more than the Lexus with less options. In addition, I am factoring in the reliability, service history and consumer satisfaction ratings. At the present time, Lexus takes the cake, hands down. Unfortunately, I will have to sacrifice a few things. The body roll and responsiveness of the vehicle are disappointing. There is no "perfect car". You have to sacrifice something. I think each person has to draw their own lines at what that will be.
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 7:03 pm) What data did you base this conjecture on; it is not supported by the IIHS. Again, the rear-crash protection results are only one of several tests performed by the IIHS and do not invalidate any of the other tests performed by the IIHS. The Toyota/Lexus vehicles in question all have "Good" ratings in every type of crash test EXCEPT for rear-end protection (just like several competing European models), so I do not know how you would conclude that Toyota/Lexus has the largest number of unsafe vehicles when even the IIHS has not even made such a statement.
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Replying to: shop123 (Nov 30, 2006 7:26 pm) I can understand your bitterness towards BMW. I would feel the same way if I had a lemon like yours. Fortunately I have been a very satisfied owner of BMWs for over eight years. I guess it has something to do with the fact that I never owned a 7 series. Nor do I have any desire to own a 7 series. |
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The ratings of OVERALL crash safety in their "large luxury cars" category: link title 1. Audi A6 2. Lexus GS 3. Infiniti M35/M45 4. Mercedes E class 5. Cadillac DTS 6. Volvo S80 7. BMW 5 series 8. Acura RL 9. Lincoln Town Car 10. Cadillac CTS 11. Cadillac STS |
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