High End Luxury Cars

24697 messages, Last post on Nov 28, 2009 at 3:09 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#21552 of 24697 Tag by drfill Nov 30, 2006 (11:50 am)
Not taking anything personally, just disappointed, as I expect better from you. I hold you, and other top posters, to a high standard. Lexus hasn't come up short, nor have I. C&D has done better work, doh. And what exactly are you talking about, Toyota/Lexus makes unsafe cars? Never heard such a thing! DrFill Replies to this message: anthonyp (Nov 30, 2006 1:35 pm) tagman (Nov 30, 2006 3:00 pm) jcoby (Nov 30, 2006 4:24 pm) tagman (Nov 30, 2006 6:13 pm) and 27 more... houdini1 (Nov 30, 2006 6:16 pm) hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 3:36 pm)
#21553 of 24697 Re: More LS Hype Than Ever [tagman] by 2001gs430 Nov 30, 2006 (12:57 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 10:28 am) You guys are really having way too much free time. I went on a client site for a few days and came back to all these anti LS posts.... Has ANYONE yet verified the LS's 0-60 claimed times? Or does reality prove otherwise? Not personally, but here is the data from the test done by a magazine on the LS460 link title It looks like the regular LS460 is neck and neck with the S550 in the acceleration tests. The S easily bested the LS on breaking, but it probably was equiped with the right tires for the test (see break comment). Here is the test result for the S550 link title One place that the tested LS blown the S out of the water is the Price as tested category. Replies to this message: syswei (Nov 30, 2006 1:53 pm) merc1 (Dec 04, 2006 10:50 pm) merc1 (Dec 04, 2006 10:47 pm)
#21554 of 24697 Re: More LS Hype Than Ever [tagman] by houdini1 Nov 30, 2006 (1:32 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 10:28 am) I did not know you were such a believer in magazine articles. I guess you should have read last years Road and Track where the Porsche Carrera S came in third behind a Corvette and a Boxter! You could have saved 30 or 40 large.
#21555 of 24697 Re: Tag [drfill] by anthonyp Nov 30, 2006 (1:35 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Nov 30, 2006 11:50 am) Hi DrFill I`m still with you, but lament the LS direction on price...Sort of like getting a good time peace, and having the option of stainless steel ve gold....The mechanism for keeping time is the same, but the outside differ, depending on how much you want to spend...When things settle down, maybe a person who values the dependable Lexus, will get a large discount and the value factor could come back.. It`s hard for me to believe that the breaks on the LS are what is reported, so we`l just have to wait and see..On my last Lexus I found the seats to be poor, so lookforward to testing the new ones out...Hpowders is a pretty astute observer of seats, and I have learned some form him, although I differ on the bmw 7 driving experience. I found the steering to be feather light--strangely so--but the 5 is fine...I found Tagman`s pictures of the S vs LS dash to be a good guide, and wonder what your thoughts are on the comparison??? Anyway just a faint supporter of the LS and a strong supporter of you Tony
#21556 of 24697 Re: More LS Hype Than Ever [2001gs430] by syswei Nov 30, 2006 (1:53 pm)
Replying to: 2001gs430 (Nov 30, 2006 12:57 pm) It looks like the regular LS460 is neck and neck with the S550 in the acceleration tests. Actually the LS edges out the S slightly both 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile. Wonder if this one was pre-production or not? Those LS brakes still do look disappointing. I wish the car mags would put identical brand/model tires on each car in a comparo. Replies to this message: merc1 (Dec 04, 2006 10:50 pm)
#21557 of 24697 Re: More LS Hype Than Ever [tagman] by hpowders Nov 30, 2006 (1:57 pm)
Replying to: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 10:28 am) Add the uncomfortable foot well and the sink to the floor driver's seat and you have a vehicle which would seem over-priced at $50k. IMO, Lexus has made a major error in raising the price of the new LS460 since, given the reviews, the LS460 is not an improvement over the LS430. What's luxury without safety? At the very least, Lexus should recall these new vehicles and fix the brakes. If I were looking for an LS, I would snap up one of the remaining LS430's at way below invoice.
#21558 of 24697 Re: Tag [drfill] by hpowders Nov 30, 2006 (2:06 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Nov 30, 2006 11:41 am) But the last 3 wins don't mean a ting! Because: It's all about: "What have you done for me lately?" And regarding the LS460 the answer appears to be: "Not very much."
#21559 of 24697 Doc, by blkhemi Nov 30, 2006 (2:13 pm)
If you thought that what I said was "less than credible", then for sure the old noggin is working overtime. Re-read the post. And fully this time preferably without the usual cynicism and bias. Not once did I compare the 300 to the LS. No, the current 300 is not an LS460. We all know this. And you know good and well that I didn't directly compare the two. What was said is that the acres of GM-grade hard plastic can be acceptable in a 300C HEMI at a pricepoint of 32k. It is grossly unacceptable on a $61k car, let alone a fully-plushed $92k model. With each passing post, your "crediabilty" of being the best Lexus spokesman in the past 17 years rings through clearly... Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 3:04 pm)
#21560 of 24697 Mr. Bright by blkhemi Nov 30, 2006 (2:17 pm)
Sorry that you feel that the company that actually invented the automobile hasn't done anything in the past 100 years. They actually invented the best thing since, well, the wheel the automobile sits on. And for the money, just having a park feature and a few idiotic options doesn't equate to a car "taking the competition by storm. The S550 has more safety, better use of it's optional features, and of course the brand prestige to pull such lofty numbers. The cheaper LS460 is here, yet the M-O-M sales of the S550 has risen 8-12%, respectively, with the passing months it's been on sale.... Value?, the public ain't buying it anymore... Replies to this message: brightness04 (Nov 30, 2006 5:53 pm) blkhemi (Nov 30, 2006 6:43 pm)
#21561 of 24697 MORE, Shorter Analyses by esf Nov 30, 2006 (2:49 pm)
People are still pulling hair here. I did my last peace-making post to keep us from becoming AutoSpies. I fear that this will if the bickering continues. My factual, informative, tasty, to-the-point analyses of the cars in question: Lexus LS- For those who would rather be driven than drive themselves BMW 7 Series- The polar opposite of the LS. For those who want a big sedan, but would rather drive than be driven. Audi A8- For those who want to drive in all seasons, and for those who want something unique and kind of rare. Mercedes S-Class- You can both drive and be driven in this one; in high style, I may add. Not that the others aren't stylish. But this one takes the bling factor to a new level. All have key sell points, and besides the 7 Series, within the other three, none are truly better vehicles than the next. If I could pick one to drive, I'd pick the Audi S8, and if I could have one to be driven in, it would be the Mercedes S600, but with different wheels. Standard wheels are extremely boring. '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330 Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 3:39 pm)