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24699 messages, Last post on Nov 30, 2009 at 6:41 PM
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Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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The overall marketing impression that this car is somehow loaded with tons of features not found on any other car in its class is a joke and a half. Even Drfill posted numerous references to all the bountiful rumored extras, yet when I asked him to identify them, he came up short. Why? Because it is an indication of the hype that is so much associated with the LS. So let me get this straight. I list three packages that out-do a S550, and you poo-poo them, so now I came up short? And the test by C&D you guys are NOW SWEARING BY, not the previous 3 wins by the LS, just this loss, where they gave the LS the #1 ranking for luxury features, easily besting the S550, gets neatly swept under the rug?  I know if I'm looking for a fair shake I'm in the wrong place, but can Lexus at least get credit for doing something right? Come on, Tag!  DrFill
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Replying to: drfill (Nov 30, 2006 11:31 am) I am not a Lexus fan, but I am a DrFill fan.  I am glad you are a part of these forums, and as I've said before, it would be an unfortunate mistake to ever take any of my remarks regarding the Lexus vehicles in a personal way. Yes, Jack can come in handy now and then.  TagMan |
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Not taking anything personally, just disappointed, as I expect better from you. I hold you, and other top posters, to a high standard. Lexus hasn't come up short, nor have I. C&D has done better work, doh. And what exactly are you talking about, Toyota/Lexus makes unsafe cars? Never heard such a thing!  DrFill
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 10:28 am) Has ANYONE yet verified the LS's 0-60 claimed times? Or does reality prove otherwise? Not personally, but here is the data from the test done by a magazine on the LS460 link title It looks like the regular LS460 is neck and neck with the S550 in the acceleration tests. The S easily bested the LS on breaking, but it probably was equiped with the right tires for the test (see break comment). Here is the test result for the S550 link title One place that the tested LS blown the S out of the water is the Price as tested category. 
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 10:28 am) |
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Replying to: drfill (Nov 30, 2006 11:50 am) I`m still with you, but lament the LS direction on price...Sort of like getting a good time peace, and having the option of stainless steel ve gold....The mechanism for keeping time is the same, but the outside differ, depending on how much you want to spend...When things settle down, maybe a person who values the dependable Lexus, will get a large discount and the value factor could come back.. It`s hard for me to believe that the breaks on the LS are what is reported, so we`l just have to wait and see..On my last Lexus I found the seats to be poor, so lookforward to testing the new ones out...Hpowders is a pretty astute observer of seats, and I have learned some form him, although I differ on the bmw 7 driving experience. I found the steering to be feather light--strangely so--but the 5 is fine...I found Tagman`s pictures of the S vs LS dash to be a good guide, and wonder what your thoughts are on the comparison??? Anyway just a faint supporter of the LS and a strong supporter of you Tony |
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Replying to: 2001gs430 (Nov 30, 2006 12:57 pm) Actually the LS edges out the S slightly both 0-60 and in the 1/4 mile. Wonder if this one was pre-production or not? Those LS brakes still do look disappointing. I wish the car mags would put identical brand/model tires on each car in a comparo.
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 10:28 am) IMO, Lexus has made a major error in raising the price of the new LS460 since, given the reviews, the LS460 is not an improvement over the LS430. What's luxury without safety? At the very least, Lexus should recall these new vehicles and fix the brakes. If I were looking for an LS, I would snap up one of the remaining LS430's at way below invoice. |
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Replying to: drfill (Nov 30, 2006 11:41 am) Because: It's all about: "What have you done for me lately?" And regarding the LS460 the answer appears to be: "Not very much." |
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If you thought that what I said was "less than credible", then for sure the old noggin is working overtime. Re-read the post. And fully this time preferably without the usual cynicism and bias. Not once did I compare the 300 to the LS. No, the current 300 is not an LS460. We all know this. And you know good and well that I didn't directly compare the two. What was said is that the acres of GM-grade hard plastic can be acceptable in a 300C HEMI at a pricepoint of 32k. It is grossly unacceptable on a $61k car, let alone a fully-plushed $92k model. With each passing post, your "crediabilty" of being the best Lexus spokesman in the past 17 years rings through clearly...
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