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Sedans High End Luxury Cars
24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM
You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens
Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.
A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.
Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.
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Gosh, I thought Toyota/Lexus did a brilliant job of marketng the previous LS... but now the early stages of one of the automobile industry's biggest BS campaigns are starting to emerge. Has ANYONE yet verified the LS's 0-60 claimed times? Or does reality prove otherwise? The brakes suck... that's become a fact at this point. The hyped park-assist is contraversial in reality to say the least. The "world's first 8-speed transmission" is in reality nothing but a marketing ploy to one-up the Mercedes 7-speed, as admitted by Lexus executives. The overall marketing impression that this car is somehow loaded with tons of features not found on any other car in its class is a joke and a half. Even Drfill posted numerous references to all the bountiful rumored extras, yet when I asked him to identify them, he came up short. Why? Because it is an indication of the hype that is so much associated with the LS. Toyota Motor Co. practically owns the list for the worst vehicles when it comes to safety. They have more unsafe vehicles at the top of the least-safe category than any other manufacturer in the world. How many people know THAT? Funny how Toyota/Lexus has fooled so many for so long. I truly hope that this bubble is either about to burst, or will be letting out a lot of air very soon, and let the real truth become known... instead of TMC's history of the real truth being overshadowed by clever marketing hype. In the meantime, expect much more hype from TMC. Count on it. TagMan |
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Replying to: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 9:01 am) I have to say that I have never seen a supposed full fledged comparison where one of the comparees was a non production vehicle. C&D hardly even mentioned the fact. I see a retraction coming.
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Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 30, 2006 10:36 am) So, have fun while you can because it won't last. I see a retraction coming. We will all see more truth soon enough. TagMan |
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2008 or 2009 Jaguar XF to replace the S-type. Thank goodness. TagMan |
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Did someone drop a neutron bomb in those LS forums? Apparently there is no living being inhabiting those LS forums? To answer your primary question, in effect, yes, the management of this site did a Hiroshima on the LS Forums, scattering quality posters everywhere. Too much of a good ting, I guess?  I somehow landed here  Single-barrel Jack will get me through these playa-hatin' times.  DrFill
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The overall marketing impression that this car is somehow loaded with tons of features not found on any other car in its class is a joke and a half. Even Drfill posted numerous references to all the bountiful rumored extras, yet when I asked him to identify them, he came up short. Why? Because it is an indication of the hype that is so much associated with the LS. So let me get this straight. I list three packages that out-do a S550, and you poo-poo them, so now I came up short? And the test by C&D you guys are NOW SWEARING BY, not the previous 3 wins by the LS, just this loss, where they gave the LS the #1 ranking for luxury features, easily besting the S550, gets neatly swept under the rug?  I know if I'm looking for a fair shake I'm in the wrong place, but can Lexus at least get credit for doing something right? Come on, Tag!  DrFill
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Replying to: drfill (Nov 30, 2006 11:31 am) I am not a Lexus fan, but I am a DrFill fan.  I am glad you are a part of these forums, and as I've said before, it would be an unfortunate mistake to ever take any of my remarks regarding the Lexus vehicles in a personal way. Yes, Jack can come in handy now and then. TagMan |
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Not taking anything personally, just disappointed, as I expect better from you. I hold you, and other top posters, to a high standard. Lexus hasn't come up short, nor have I. C&D has done better work, doh. And what exactly are you talking about, Toyota/Lexus makes unsafe cars? Never heard such a thing! DrFill
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 10:28 am) Has ANYONE yet verified the LS's 0-60 claimed times? Or does reality prove otherwise? Not personally, but here is the data from the test done by a magazine on the LS460 link title It looks like the regular LS460 is neck and neck with the S550 in the acceleration tests. The S easily bested the LS on breaking, but it probably was equiped with the right tires for the test (see break comment). Here is the test result for the S550 link title One place that the tested LS blown the S out of the water is the Price as tested category. 
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Replying to: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 10:28 am) |
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