High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

You are in the Sedans Forum. Your Hosts are pat & karens

What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#21541 of 24700 Re: or [dhamilton] by hpowders Nov 30, 2006 (9:35 am)
Replying to: dhamilton (Nov 30, 2006 8:29 am) Could be. If I was in the market for one of these high-end vehicles, the choice for me would be between the A8 and 7 Series.
#21543 of 24700 Folks by pat HOST Nov 30, 2006 (9:45 am)
We're not here to discuss other posters. Please get back to the cars.
#21544 of 24700 Re: Syswei--who blew up that Neuron Bomb? [dewey] by hpowders Nov 30, 2006 (9:49 am)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 9:01 am) " In 2011 we will hear a top Lexus executive claiming how the 2007 LS was not at all competitive to German marques but the 2012 LS will be completely different." LOL!! Probably will be claimed as a "7 killer" too and will be just about as accurate as Danny Clements coming out to praise the GS450 as the "5 killer" in 2005.
#21545 of 24700 More LS Hype Than Ever by tagman Nov 30, 2006 (10:28 am)
Gosh, I thought Toyota/Lexus did a brilliant job of marketng the previous LS... but now the early stages of one of the automobile industry's biggest BS campaigns are starting to emerge. Has ANYONE yet verified the LS's 0-60 claimed times? Or does reality prove otherwise? The brakes suck... that's become a fact at this point. The hyped park-assist is contraversial in reality to say the least. The "world's first 8-speed transmission" is in reality nothing but a marketing ploy to one-up the Mercedes 7-speed, as admitted by Lexus executives. The overall marketing impression that this car is somehow loaded with tons of features not found on any other car in its class is a joke and a half. Even Drfill posted numerous references to all the bountiful rumored extras, yet when I asked him to identify them, he came up short. Why? Because it is an indication of the hype that is so much associated with the LS. Toyota Motor Co. practically owns the list for the worst vehicles when it comes to safety. They have more unsafe vehicles at the top of the least-safe category than any other manufacturer in the world. How many people know THAT? Funny how Toyota/Lexus has fooled so many for so long. I truly hope that this bubble is either about to burst, or will be letting out a lot of air very soon, and let the real truth become known... instead of TMC's history of the real truth being overshadowed by clever marketing hype. In the meantime, expect much more hype from TMC. Count on it. TagMan Replies to this message: 2001gs430 (Nov 30, 2006 12:57 pm) syswei (Nov 30, 2006 1:53 pm) merc1 (Dec 04, 2006 10:50 pm) merc1 (Dec 04, 2006 10:47 pm) houdini1 (Nov 30, 2006 1:32 pm) hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 1:57 pm)
#21546 of 24700 Re: Syswei--who blew up that Neuron Bomb? [dewey] by houdini1 Nov 30, 2006 (10:36 am)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 9:01 am) More than anything else, I think that is wishful thinking. Lexus is still numero uno. Once they compare a real production LS with the other also rans that will become clear. So, have fun while you can because it won't last. I have to say that I have never seen a supposed full fledged comparison where one of the comparees was a non production vehicle. C&D hardly even mentioned the fact. I see a retraction coming. Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 10:48 am)
#21547 of 24700 Re: Syswei--who blew up that Neuron Bomb? [houdini1] by tagman Nov 30, 2006 (10:48 am)
Replying to: houdini1 (Nov 30, 2006 10:36 am) I think that is wishful thinking. So, have fun while you can because it won't last. I see a retraction coming. We will all see more truth soon enough. TagMan
#21548 of 24700 New Jaguar? by tagman Nov 30, 2006 (10:50 am)
2008 or 2009 Jaguar XF to replace the S-type. Thank goodness. TagMan
#21549 of 24700 Dewey by drfill Nov 30, 2006 (11:31 am)
Did someone drop a neutron bomb in those LS forums? Apparently there is no living being inhabiting those LS forums? To answer your primary question, in effect, yes, the management of this site did a Hiroshima on the LS Forums, scattering quality posters everywhere. Too much of a good ting, I guess? I somehow landed here Single-barrel Jack will get me through these playa-hatin' times. DrFill Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 11:45 am)
#21550 of 24700 Tag by drfill Nov 30, 2006 (11:41 am)
The overall marketing impression that this car is somehow loaded with tons of features not found on any other car in its class is a joke and a half. Even Drfill posted numerous references to all the bountiful rumored extras, yet when I asked him to identify them, he came up short. Why? Because it is an indication of the hype that is so much associated with the LS. So let me get this straight. I list three packages that out-do a S550, and you poo-poo them, so now I came up short? And the test by C&D you guys are NOW SWEARING BY, not the previous 3 wins by the LS, just this loss, where they gave the LS the #1 ranking for luxury features, easily besting the S550, gets neatly swept under the rug? I know if I'm looking for a fair shake I'm in the wrong place, but can Lexus at least get credit for doing something right? Come on, Tag! DrFill Replies to this message: hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 2:06 pm)