High End Luxury Cars

24700 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 12:24 PM

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What is this discussion about? Audi A8, BMW 7 Series, Jaguar XJ-Series, Lexus LS 460, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Volkswagen Phaeton, Maserati Quattroporte, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Sedan

Let's try to define this forum as being limited to luxury performance vehicles where the mainstream version in a typical configuration has an MSRP of at least $60k.

A luxury vehicle with a base price of $59k qualifies because it would typically be bought with some additional equipment, bringing the MSRP over $60k.

Vehicles like the E, 5, A6, M, or GS, even if available in certain versions over $60k, don't qualify because they are cars from companies that have higher end cars in their lineups.

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#21537 of 24700 or by dhamilton Nov 30, 2006 (8:29 am)
you can have a great interior, and great performance with that beautiful A8 . Just my 2 cents. Replies to this message: hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 9:35 am)
#21538 of 24700 Syswei--who blew up that Neuron Bomb? by dewey Nov 30, 2006 (9:01 am)
While others, more recently, quit this board and refuse to talk to us here, instead sticking together on the LS board. Did someone drop a neutron bomb in those LS forums? Apparently there is no living being inhabiting those LS forums? Those LS euphoric tunes from yesteryears that were sung in this forum and elsewhere sounds alot today like a silent death knell. Or even worse as silent and death-like as a Lexus ride which could become real death-like if you dont press those LS brakes hard enough In fact the only survivor singing those LS tunes in this forum is DrFill himself. DrFill I do admire your resilience and I as sure there will be other LS survivors who will appear in a few years boasting about how perfect the new generation 2012 LS will be. Also I am sure that in 2011 we will hear a top Lexus executive claiming how the 2007 LS was not at all competitive to German marques but the 2012 LS will be completely different. Replies to this message: brightness04 (Nov 30, 2006 9:29 am) hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 9:49 am) houdini1 (Nov 30, 2006 10:36 am) tagman (Nov 30, 2006 10:48 am)
#21539 of 24700 Re: And...continuing to stay on topic [dhamilton] by brightness04 Nov 30, 2006 (9:28 am)
Replying to: dhamilton (Nov 30, 2006 4:20 am) Both Honda and Toyota are formidable carmakers. So far, however, Honda has been very restrained about entering the HELC market segment with its unwillingness to make a platform that is substantially bigger than that of the Accord/TL, and RWD. IMHO, Honda's decision so far has its merit: I don't believe for a moment there is anything intrinsic about German vs. Japanese (vs. American); making a well-engineered/manufactured and reliable car is about methodology. Small volume would by necessity result in less engineering budget to work out the bugs and less capital investment for automation. That means product variation (not "variant")and quality issues. When engines and cars are hand-made, there can be no quality consistency; even Toyota can have engine failure on its race team. Honda can certainly make do without something that might sully its reputation for reliable engineering.
#21540 of 24700 Re: Syswei--who blew up that Neuron Bomb? [dewey] by brightness04 Nov 30, 2006 (9:29 am)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 9:01 am) Or simply that many new LS owners are having too much fun driving their cars . . . or busy making money to pay for them
#21541 of 24700 Re: or [dhamilton] by hpowders Nov 30, 2006 (9:35 am)
Replying to: dhamilton (Nov 30, 2006 8:29 am) Could be. If I was in the market for one of these high-end vehicles, the choice for me would be between the A8 and 7 Series.
#21543 of 24700 Folks by pat HOST Nov 30, 2006 (9:45 am)
We're not here to discuss other posters. Please get back to the cars.
#21544 of 24700 Re: Syswei--who blew up that Neuron Bomb? [dewey] by hpowders Nov 30, 2006 (9:49 am)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 9:01 am) " In 2011 we will hear a top Lexus executive claiming how the 2007 LS was not at all competitive to German marques but the 2012 LS will be completely different." LOL!! Probably will be claimed as a "7 killer" too and will be just about as accurate as Danny Clements coming out to praise the GS450 as the "5 killer" in 2005.
#21545 of 24700 More LS Hype Than Ever by tagman Nov 30, 2006 (10:28 am)
Gosh, I thought Toyota/Lexus did a brilliant job of marketng the previous LS... but now the early stages of one of the automobile industry's biggest BS campaigns are starting to emerge. Has ANYONE yet verified the LS's 0-60 claimed times? Or does reality prove otherwise? The brakes suck... that's become a fact at this point. The hyped park-assist is contraversial in reality to say the least. The "world's first 8-speed transmission" is in reality nothing but a marketing ploy to one-up the Mercedes 7-speed, as admitted by Lexus executives. The overall marketing impression that this car is somehow loaded with tons of features not found on any other car in its class is a joke and a half. Even Drfill posted numerous references to all the bountiful rumored extras, yet when I asked him to identify them, he came up short. Why? Because it is an indication of the hype that is so much associated with the LS. Toyota Motor Co. practically owns the list for the worst vehicles when it comes to safety. They have more unsafe vehicles at the top of the least-safe category than any other manufacturer in the world. How many people know THAT? Funny how Toyota/Lexus has fooled so many for so long. I truly hope that this bubble is either about to burst, or will be letting out a lot of air very soon, and let the real truth become known... instead of TMC's history of the real truth being overshadowed by clever marketing hype. In the meantime, expect much more hype from TMC. Count on it. TagMan Replies to this message: 2001gs430 (Nov 30, 2006 12:57 pm) syswei (Nov 30, 2006 1:53 pm) merc1 (Dec 04, 2006 10:50 pm) merc1 (Dec 04, 2006 10:47 pm) houdini1 (Nov 30, 2006 1:32 pm) hpowders (Nov 30, 2006 1:57 pm)
#21546 of 24700 Re: Syswei--who blew up that Neuron Bomb? [dewey] by houdini1 Nov 30, 2006 (10:36 am)
Replying to: dewey (Nov 30, 2006 9:01 am) More than anything else, I think that is wishful thinking. Lexus is still numero uno. Once they compare a real production LS with the other also rans that will become clear. So, have fun while you can because it won't last. I have to say that I have never seen a supposed full fledged comparison where one of the comparees was a non production vehicle. C&D hardly even mentioned the fact. I see a retraction coming. Replies to this message: tagman (Nov 30, 2006 10:48 am)